Tesla recalls 362,758 vehicles, says full self-driving beta software may cause crashes

CNBC ^ | 2/16/2023 | unknown

[qaz123]

Is having Feature on a cat that can be defeated with a pen laser a good thing or a bad thing?

I’m thinking it isn’t good. Maybe that’s just me

[StAnDeliver]

"Ford just posted a huge loss for the year....they partnered with some group a few years back to develope a “self driving” accessory for Ford cars....Fords engineers finally told the Board...um..this is not gonna work..just ditch it....fools.."

Wait, what? Ford doesn't have Tesla-level self-driving but Ford Co-Pilot360™ has BlueCruise for BlueZone highways, AEB, ACC, AEB, BLIS, Lane-Keeper, Evasive Steering Assist, Self-Parking, and Active Driver Assist, which in linkage with BlueCruise is hands-free driving on BlueZone highways.

I've tried it on a relative's Mach-E, it's stable, but not as satisfying as a Tesla.

[ConservativeWarrior]

Both our car and suv are the last generations of their models without standard brake assist, SOS-button, integrated cameras, etc...

We’ll be driving both until the wheels fall off.

[Ex gun maker.]

Snicker, chuckle, laugh!
This has been obvious for SO long.
I recall several articles revealing this, from the decapitated former astronaut to recent CA bay area pile-up.

[adorno]

I can refer you to many things the human brain and nervous system can't do that computers do very well.

As a former software engineer myself,I I'm pretty familiar with the capabilities of computers and software and even some robots.

However, that computers can do what humans can't do, is true,but then, those computers are just doing what they've been programmed to do, and what they do is basically the repetitious work and easy work, with greater speed. Thus, computers are not doing anything that they were taught to do, after humans had done the same.

Computers can't think, and they lack emotion,, and they can't take the initiative and inventiveness of humans. They can't, for example, wonder about how they (the computers) got here, much less how humans got here. Computers, with all their software and capabilities for speed, cannot emulate a human being,and will never have that capability. Only something or some being with greater than human capabilities, may be able to create a 'thing' that emulates a human being. We can't create anything smarter than we are.

[dangus]

And in non-breaking news, Toyota offered a recall...

[GingisK]

I know. I've been writing automation software since 1967. Still active, sort of. I'm now using ARMs in my hardware designs. They are a mixed bag.

My absolute drop dead favorite uP was the 68000 family.

[V_TWIN]

I was passenger in a car recently that had lane assist/warning.......made me nervous

[roadcat]

I liked your Dilbert regarding the clueless boss - "I'll pay a ten-dollar bonus for every bug you find and fix.".

Reminds me of when I worked on an applications software development team, a higher manager would hold weekly meetings with our team, requesting that we individually submit weekly tallies of software code lines that were added, modified or deleted. He would then combine the results in a report, and boast with glee in each meeting about how much code was altered.

The rest of us saw it as a waste of our time, so we would make up numbers and submit it to him. Then we would snicker as he read his reports. The more supposed bugs that caused problems, the happier he seemed, as if that was a sign of productivity. Clueless manager had a heart attack and died a few years later, made us all happier.

[POWG]

This is a rollback of an over-the-air update. It’s only called a “recall” because the govmnt isn’t smart enough to understand the difference yet. The required action will be completed before the media and EV haters finish writing all their hate-gasms.

[basalt]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ford-to-take-2-7-billion-charge-on-argo-driverless-startup-stake-11666816138?mod=article_inline

[TangoLimaSierra]

"For comparison, the NHTSA estimated one automobile crash every 652,000 miles. That equates to Tesla drivers without Autopilot engaged being 2.5 times safer and with Autopilot being used ten times safer than the national average.

Just because there is a recall for a discovered defect, doesn't mean Tesla's are less safe. Human drivers have a lot of defects.

I'd like to see a test where they send 1000 cars across the country with half human drivers and the others in Autopilot mode. I think folks would be quite surprised at the results.

The Freeper Luddite contingent enjoys every glitch in EV development. Although I think one of the main reasons is the continued subsidization of EVs. And with that I agree. Those should be killed. Subsidies not Freepers.

[Lovely-Day-For-A-Guinness]

Women and TeslaGator hardest hit.

[Tell It Right]

ROTFLMChristianFreeAmericanSuccessfulHairyWhiteUnsodomizedAO!!

[StAnDeliver]

Yeah you're not understanding what Argo was. Ford dumped Argo because they weren't producing a completely autonomous vehicle -- a driverless KA to deliver pizza -- not because Ford isn't interested in self-driving vehicles.

Go do a hands-off ride in a BlueCruise-equipped Ford product.

[Eleutheria5]

I hate to doomsay, but it looks like Musk might end up the way his hero, Nicolai Tesla did, losing it all. Hope I’m wrong. He is a force for good.

[Tell It Right]

As long as Musk keeps asking government to enact even more carbon taxes than they already do, Musk is not my hero.

[citizen]

2019 Sante Fe. I use the cruise control w/ lane assist. It works well for braking & re-accel, even to a complete stop, maintaining the lane (beeping) and it begins the initial turning when entering a sharper curve. I never tried seeing if proper turning will occur through the entire curve. Trailing distance is selectable in car lengths.

I think I will test the auto-turning in a curve at a quite slow speed. Driving slowly, it may make no turn at all. I suspect the initial turning is to assist/alert the driver. There is no claim of self-driving, only driving assisted.

I must have a hand - not a finger or my knee - on the steering wheel at all times other than for 3 seconds or so. After that I get beeps. Using the turn signal prevents the lane-assist beeps but also initiates really loud beeps if a vehicle is in an adjacent lane or if a vehicle is fast overtaking me.

These enhancements work well - but in no way do they lull me to sleep, even figuratively.

[basalt]

you saw the article....case closed..

[Eleutheria5]

Not my hero, either, but all things considered, mostly a force for good.