Posted on 02/12/2023 3:30:00 PM PST by conservative98
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“Why not look at the constitution. It says what the requirements are.”
If the Constitutional requirements are all that concern voters, everyone should be happy with Joe Biden.
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This time they will again steal the election with everyone watching, just daring anyone to do anything. And, nothing will be done. It will become even more obvious.
“If the Constitutional requirements are all that concern voters, everyone should be happy with Joe Biden.”
That’s’ a true regarding his age and citizenship, but the Constitution infers another important requirement that Joe Biden did not meet: namely that he be duly elected..
The Constitution does NOT allow for illegal ballots to be counted.
Unfortunately, the Constitution was not followed in 2020, just as it was not followed in 2009 and 2013 when a non-natural born citizen was sworn in as POTUS.
“The Constitution does NOT allow for illegal ballots to be counted.”
The Constitution is silent on the processes used by the states to select the states electors for the Electoral College. The only “ballots” for the election of President specified in the Constitution are those cast by the Electoral College. The electors were chosen and certified by the states according to the processes in place in the states. With respect to the election of Biden, the Electoral College met as established by the Constitution and the Electors cast their votes. On January 6, 2021 the votes were counted by Congress in a session presided over by the Vice President. The President of the Senate declared Joseph Biden to have been elected President and Kamala Harris the Vice President.
As far as the Constitution is concerned, there were no “illegal” ballots cast by the Electoral College in the election of 2020. The electors were legally certified by the states, they met, they cast their votes. and their votes were accepted by Congress.
“The Constitution is silent on the processes used by the states to select the states electors for the Electoral College.”
That’s true, but contracts need not spell out all possible violations in order to be enforceable.
For example, if a contract requires compensation, it can be assumed that means fair compensation. So, if I compensate you at market value, but with counterfeit currency, that’s a breach even though the contract was silent on the subject of counterfeit currency.
Similarly, Article II Section 1 of the Constitution needs not state that elections must be run honestly and fairly, and that only valid ballots should be counted. Those things go without saying.
Jonathan Turley wrote a piece making this point, which I can’t find right now, and Alan Dershowitz has also discussed this at great length.
This point can also be applied to removal, as Turley has said - since the removal processes laid out in the Constitution limit ways in which a President can be removed. But those limitations are there to protect a duly elected President, not a President sworn in as a result of election fraud. If it can be proven Joe Biden was not duly (fairly) elected, those Constitutional protections do not apply to him.
People have too quick to accept the argument that since the Constitution does not mention election fraud - then there is no remedy - that’s absurd. Why on Earth would the Framers have made it impossible to reverse a wrongly certified election?
The answer is that, of course, the Framers did not make it impossible to reverse a corrupted election - we are being gaslighted.
There seemed to be about 50 people there, all in the front.
Not complaining, that’s 49 more than if I did something like that.
“The answer is that, of course, the Framers did not make it impossible to reverse a corrupted election - we are being gaslighted.”
The Constitution provides a process for removal of a president by impeachment as well as the process outlined in section 4 of the 25th Amendment. If there is evidence the incumbent president directed or orchestrated a successful widespread voter fraud operation in order to steal the 2020 election, it is the responsibility of the House of Representatives to investigate the matter and, if the evidence proves a high crime or misdemeanor, the House should impeach the President. The Senate must then hold a trial and based on overwhelming evidence of criminal behavior convict him. Congress chooses not to take action with the current president for election fraud or influence peddling even though there have been numerous reports suggesting evidence of both.
If there is overwhelming evidence of fraud, why hasn’t there been an investigation, impeachment and trial by the elected representatives of the people who swore and office to uphold the Constitution? Why aren’t the people demonstrating in the streets, demanding their leaders take action?
The Constitution provides the remedy yet there is no action. I offer you several possibilities:
1) Despite the evidence of widespread election fraud known to Biden and orchestrated by him, to date the members of Congress perceive there is no overwhelming proof. As a result they ignore the issue.
2) Congress is corrupt and the elected representatives do not take their oaths of office seriously. They personally benefit politically or financially from ignoring the crime.
3) The majority of the population is not aware of the evidence of electoral crime or does not care. As a result the people are not putting sufficient pressure on Congress to cause it to act.
4) Our nation no longer has a shared set of moral and ethical values nor do the people, and their leaders, aspire to lead virtuous lives. As long as they have food in their bellies, a television to entertain them, and the freedom to perform whatever kind of sexual activities they enjoy, the people are content with whoever is in office and the type of governance being delivered. The majority of the people are indifferent to the corruption or support it.
5) A significant segment of the population is completely dependent on the government redistributing resources from other citizens to them and approve of the corruption as long as they perceive they are personally benefiting.
The Founders gave us a framework for good governance which requires citizen knowledge, involvement, and morality. Ultimately an elected government reflects the values of the voters. If the people are corrupt or apathetic, government will be corrupt and ultimately tyrannical.
My take. We the people have no shared sense of morality and can no longer differentiate between good and evil, much less be outraged enough by evil to take personal risk publicly standing up for good. As civilization erodes, people are coping by either joining in the corruption or becoming apathetic to government perceiving they can’t do anything about the corruption. Some may even be motivated to apathy by fear of the power of government. The repercussions from the events of January 6 were a strong message to the people about the consequences of actively opposing voter fraud. The apathetic citizens are now hibernating, avoiding the chaos swirling around them by ignoring it instead of taking action to effect real change.
To conclude the majority of people have acquiesced to the death of the Constitution and the Founder’s vision for a government that protects and preserves individual liberty. Too many citizens want big government to manage their well being and significant dimensions of the lives of their fellow citizens. They cherish the safety and order imposed by government more than the risk and personal accountability of pursuing their dreams as free men and women. Like Ancient Rome we are transitioning governance from Republican self determination to the heavy hand of Imperial rule.
“The Constitution provides a process for removal of a president by impeachment as well as the process outlined in section 4 of the 25th Amendment.”
You are still conflating two entirely different cases:
1) Removal of a duly elected POTUS.
2) Recalling a botched election.
The Constitution deals carefully with No 1, in order to enforce the equal powers doctrine. They needed to limit the ability of one branch to overpower another branch. For that reason they carefully limit the ways it can be done.
The Constitution is silent on No 2, because OBVIOUSLY, a fraudulent election cannot stand - that goes without saying. If Joe Biden wrongfully attains office as a result of a miscount, fraud, or other election maladies, then OBVIOUSLY he is not the duly elected POTUS, and No 1 does not apply.
The Framers would be ashamed to know we allowed their words to be twisted and let a stolen election stand.
Ok. Start a vote harvesting operation in every church, Christian school and gun range in the country. It’s a start
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