Posted on 02/01/2023 4:51:08 PM PST by JennysCool
Edited on 02/01/2023 5:37:20 PM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]
“BOSTON’s not in? That’s just plain wrong.
Neither are:
Peter Frampton
Emerson, Lake and Palmer
Jethro Tull”
Add to this list The Guess Who and Supertramp.
And those over the years that were not recognized, not to worry when your dead they will
“What a great song! Thank you!”
You’re very welcome. Around 1977-78, I used to commute about 4 hours to get to a helicopter and work offshore in the Gulf of Mexico. The “Excitable Boy” cassette kept me company many times. A highly underrated album.
“Fringe acts”? “Changing the culture” or the world? WTH? Hitler changed the world if that’s the criteria you are using. Maybe some people, you know, those with refined taste, maybe, just maybe, like things that the masses dont. Numbers dont equal quality and many idiots have “changed culture” and not for the better.
There’s the snobbery coming out again. Typically we’re told how refined the fringe is and how it doesn’t matter what “the masses” think. Every, single, time.
But, it does matter.
You can like what you like, but don’t pretend these acts really made a big difference.
Do you all say the same thing about movies? Do you love the Oscars with all its pretentious bilge passed off as “best movie”, etc? Often totally out of tune with what people (yes, those dirty masses) actually like and were influenced by?
Yea, that's surprising.
I didn’t say anything about Ronstadt.
She was around enough to be recognized in HOF, I guess. Made an impact. Even if I don’t like it as much as Buddy Holly and Orbison (but I do remember liking her stuff as a little girl, until I discovered older)!
Maybe I’m too high a bar, but then, maybe if they started with obvious high bar, then they could lower it a bit. As it is over the last 25 years or so they’ve had it all over the place. Joe Schmoe down the street could get in.
Re: Opening the door for females? Why not Connie Francis? The first consistent woman hit-maker.
And yes, they were inducted in 1996.
And from that very induction ceremony is Jefferson Airplane's
lead guitarist Jorma Kaukonen performing Embryonic Journey.
You are totally missing the point. I don’t care if they “make a difference”. Most great art was never popular when it was produced. Years, decades, even centuries later people began to appreciate the value. You like what you like, and because many others like it too, doesn’t make it better either. Sheesh.
That may be true to an extent. But you’re missing the point that something doesn’t really make head-way without capturing those dirty masses at large. I tried to make that point with the greats of the past…people you cannot deny.
So, is it worthy of all-time great or HOF?
How to answer that question?
Sheesh yourself! This happens every single time music is discussed - snobby connoisseurs of fringe artists tell us all we’re just the unwashed masses of sheep who somehow follow someone’s direction of what we should like, and that we like it only because we’re part of the flock of sheep, when in fact it’s the snobs who are always telling us what we should like and looking down their noses at those who “appeal to the masses”.
(PS, we don’t just like things because everyone does…because I like lots of popular stuff doesn’t mean I’m a sheep, nor does popular = garbage, which is what the fringe tries to sanctimoniously accuse.)
NO, actually you are telling the rest of us that because we may like a type of music other than which is strictly mainstream that we are snobs and the music has no cultural value.
Nope, I report what I’ve observed any time this topic comes up.
That INCLUDES my music surveys, which always draw ire from some because “oh this is just crap” because I use bonafide Billboard hits as a baseline to start. Yup, they are snobs, and it is common behavior on music threads.
You can complain about ME, but how many others have you run up against with same view who dare speak it? I see it all the time, not just from one person. It’s a trend.
Oh, well, you have surveys. Of course, you do. Glad that’s working for you.
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