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U.S. Officials Advise Ukraine to Wait on Offensive, Official Says
US News ^ | 1/20/2023 | Reuters

Posted on 01/20/2023 2:05:45 PM PST by marcusmaximus

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To: escapefromboston

“Seems like this sorta story shouldn’t be made public”

Typically these things don’t get released publicly unless private channels are ineffective.


21 posted on 01/20/2023 2:51:32 PM PST by BobL
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To: chuckee

Germany/Scholz is at best duplicitous. I hope it comes back to bite him!


22 posted on 01/20/2023 3:06:29 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: caww
Pretty obvious the US/Nato is heading this war in Ukraine.

Big Time. Meanwhile our military is being neglected and making us weak.

23 posted on 01/20/2023 3:06:54 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (Stupidly is a moral problem, not an intellectual problem. )
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To: MeganC

There would be no danger of armed conflict between Russia and NATO over Ukraine if Trump were President...Trump wouldn’t coordinate massive arms shipments and sanctions to save Zelensky.


24 posted on 01/20/2023 3:14:41 PM PST by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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To: chuckee

I don’t think Germany wants those footprints of the past war in Ukraine.


25 posted on 01/20/2023 3:28:05 PM PST by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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To: House Atreides

Germany said they won’t send thirs unless the US sends Abrams.


26 posted on 01/20/2023 3:36:54 PM PST by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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To: caww

“ Germany said they won’t send thirs unless the US sends Abrams.”
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The Germans must be seething that (the Americans and/or Brits and/or Poles) would unilaterally destroy the GERMAN natural gas pipelines. That presumptuous ACT OF WAR against Germany was VERY telling.


27 posted on 01/20/2023 3:50:16 PM PST by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MAX)
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To: caww

Coulda-woulda-shoulda.

In any case what we have is what we have.


28 posted on 01/20/2023 3:53:02 PM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: MeganC

WE have nothing regarding this war.


29 posted on 01/20/2023 3:54:04 PM PST by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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To: caww

I disagree. And I’ll continue to support the Ukrainians in their effort to defeat the Russian gangsters.


30 posted on 01/20/2023 3:55:35 PM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: MeganC

They need to postpone their victory march through moscow for a few weeks. I guess the multi-national corporations running usa and eu will have to wait a bit before strip-mining russian resources.


31 posted on 01/20/2023 4:01:54 PM PST by ozarker
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To: MeganC
You can't say what we're getting out of this war......nothing Ukraine will ever have to offer us will ever repay the billions, actually trillions the tax payers of this nations have time and again flushed down the Ukrainian toilet. But I'll guarantee you the Pelosi’s, the Biden's, the Kerrys and a host of other gov. officials here and throughout Ukraine have lined their pockets before, now and will in the future.
32 posted on 01/20/2023 4:05:40 PM PST by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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To: marcusmaximus
Election pressure is officially on:

Russian Regional Elections: Sept 10, 2023

Ukrainian Parliamentary Elections: Oct 29, 2023

U.S. Democrat Primary (first): South Carolina Feb 3, 2024

U.S. Republican Primary (first): Iowa caucuses Feb 5, 2024

U.S Super Tuesday: March 5, 2024

Russian Presidential Election: March 17, 2024

Ukrainian Presidential Election: March 31, 2024


From The Ukraine Tales:
General Prologue

Here bygynneth the Book of the Tales of The Ukraine

       Whan that Aprill, with his shoures soote
The droghte of March hath perced to the roote
And bathed every veyne in swich licour,
Of which vertu engendred is the flour;
5Whan Zephirus eek with his sweete breeth
Inspired hath in every holt and heeth
The tendre croppes, and the yonge sonne
Hath in the Ram his halfe cours yronne,
And smale foweles maken melodye,
10That slepen al the nyght with open eye-
(So priketh hem Nature in hir corages);
Thanne longen westerne folk to goon on pilgrimages
And palmeres for to seken straunge strondes
To ferne halwes, kowthe in sondry londes;
15And specially from every shires ende
Of Engelond, to The Ukraine they wende,
The hooly blisful Zelenskyy for to seke
That hem hath holpen, whan that they were seeke.
       Bifil that in that seson, on a day,
20In Southwerk at the Tabard as I lay
Redy to wenden on my pilgrymage
To The Ukraine with ful devout corage,
At Stryker was come into that hostelrye
Wel nynety and twenty in a compaignye
25Of sondry yomen, by aventure yfalle
In felaweshipe, and pilgrimes were they alle,
That toward The Ukraine wolden ryde.
The chambres and the stables weren wyde,
And wel we weren esed atte beste;
30And shortly, whan the sonne was to reste,
So hadde I spoken with hem everichon
That I was of hir felaweshipe anon,
And made forward erly for to ryse
To take our wey, ther as I yow devyse.


"In like a Lion, out like a lamb."

As The Duke said, well good luck with that offensive, "Pilgrim!"

33 posted on 01/20/2023 4:29:32 PM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: caww
"There would be no danger of armed conflict between Russia and NATO over Ukraine if Trump were President...Trump wouldn’t coordinate massive arms shipments and sanctions to save Zelensky"

Donald Trump has a bonkers theory on how to win the war in Ukraine
CNN
by Chris Cillizza
Mon March 7, 2022
According to audio obtained by The Washington Post, Trump told a group of Republican donors in New Orleans that the United States should paint Chinese flags on its F-22 planes and then use those planes to bomb Russia.

“And then we say, ‘China did it, we didn’t do it, China did it,’ and then they start fighting with each other and we sit back and watch,” Trump concluded.


34 posted on 01/20/2023 4:42:00 PM PST by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: caww
"There would be no danger of armed conflict between Russia and NATO over Ukraine if Trump were President...Trump wouldn’t coordinate massive arms shipments and sanctions to save Zelensky"

Trump Explains What He Would Do to End Putin's War in Ukraine
CNS News
by SUSAN JONES
MARCH 22, 2022
[Excerpt:] Trump said..."You know the expression, what you need for war is three things, money, money, and money. And if you bring down the price of oil..."

Varney pressed Trump on "what extra military help you would give to the Ukrainians. You say you want to do more than just the MiG jets or the Javelins."

"Well, I think the drones are just as effective as anything nowadays," Trump said.

"I mean, they make drones today -- we make, we have drones that are just as effective as just about anything in the air, anything you can do in the air, and you can do drones. Plus, they give back tremendous amounts of information, and the information leads missiles right to whatever the hell target they are.


35 posted on 01/20/2023 4:49:02 PM PST by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: familyop

Well Tumps comment comes after the fact. Mine addressed specifically had he been President at that time we would not be in this war.


36 posted on 01/20/2023 4:58:45 PM PST by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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To: MeganC

“Russia can end this war any time they want to.”

I don’t believe they can.

I think it will take many, many months to kill every Ukrainian with a rifle.


37 posted on 01/20/2023 5:10:00 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: caww
"Well Tumps comment comes after the fact. Mine addressed specifically had he been President at that time we would not be in this war."

Putin started the war in 2014 during the Obama Administration after years of Russian infiltration of the Ukrainian government. The Obama Administration refused to help Ukraine.

No, Biden fans, Trump didn’t cause the Ukraine war
https://nypost.com/2022/03/14/no-biden-fans-trump-didnt-cause-the-ukraine-war/

38 posted on 01/20/2023 5:26:28 PM PST by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: marcusmaximus

Ukrainian crews will be training with the Leopard 2.


39 posted on 01/20/2023 6:03:05 PM PST by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: marcusmaximus

It’s not so much a “breakthrough” but something that is needed. Germany is a great ally, and we, the general public, won’t be informed on everything. Happens during every war.

“Breakthrough”: Ukrainian tank crews to start training with German Leopard 2
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/01/20/7385877/


40 posted on 01/20/2023 6:06:30 PM PST by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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