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The ‘Red Wave’ Washout: How Skewed Polls Fed a False Election Narrative
NYT ^ | 12/31/2022 | Jim Rutenberg, Ken Bensinger and Steve Eder

Posted on 12/31/2022 5:54:28 AM PST by semimojo

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To: Clemenza
You are beng so stupid. On purpose perhaps?

It is just common sense. If the Government taxes at 100% they get no revenue. Tax at 0% they get no revenue. There is a sweet spot on the curve ONLY AN IDIOT THINKS OTHERWISE.

Not to lurkers: most freepers can understand the simple logic of the Laffer curve and can think abstractly. Clemenza is a boob.

121 posted on 12/31/2022 1:16:47 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Biden is a corrupt senile perv who couldn't get 20 people to show up at a rally…

Except that’s not correct. Biden campaign officials did not WANT people to show up at the rallies. They made that clear with the rallies being held at drive-ins, rallies with chairs in white circles, etc. They made a gamble that electronic media messaging could compensate for fewer in-person rallies and they were correct.

122 posted on 12/31/2022 1:33:04 PM PST by Fury
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To: Fury
Biden campaign officials did not WANT people to show up at the rallies. They made that clear with the rallies being held at drive-ins, rallies with chairs in white circles, etc. They made a gamble that electronic media messaging could compensate for fewer in-person rallies and they were correct.

Oh dear God. You anti Trump gaslighters are getting creative for sure.

123 posted on 12/31/2022 1:35:11 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: central_va
Oh dear God. You anti Trump gaslighters are getting creative for sure.

Good grief, grow up. What I posted is not gaslighting. I gave what I believe is a reasonable explanation about why people did not show up to Biden rallies.

Stop being so triggered when FReepers post something that you don’t agree with. Do better.

124 posted on 12/31/2022 1:47:37 PM PST by Fury
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To: Reily; kiryandil
I know that sounds bizarre, but Fetterman & the Pa Rats seem to understand their state electorate far better than the Pa GOP. It wouldn’t have made any difference who the GOP ran.

What’s really goofy is most of these people voted for Trump!

I have seen similar bizarre behavior in past elections that I don't believe were rigged, but I still find it hard to believe that Fetterman could win in any non rigged election.

I think Kiryandil has probably cranked the numbers and the probabilities. What say you Kiryandil? Pennsylvania rigged in 2022?

125 posted on 12/31/2022 1:50:19 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Drew68
Yeah, sure they were.

That it happened is a proven fact. Whether it was intentional or not has not been proven, but it benefited all the right people.

There's always some conspiracy.

Oh, so you are saying that you believe it was intentional? Because a "conspiracy" means intentional. Idiocy does not require an intent to do something stupid.

Either way, screwing up 42% of the ballots should have resulted in an automatic re-do of the election.

126 posted on 12/31/2022 1:53:21 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Fury
Except that’s not correct. Biden campaign officials did not WANT people to show up at the rallies.

That's why they booked stadiums and other large venues, and then had to install and or move curtains to cover up the fact his crowd size was ridiculously small.

Yeah, they didn't want large crowds, because that might have shown how unpopular he was or something. Pull the other leg.

They made a gamble that electronic media messaging could compensate for fewer in-person rallies and they were correct.

There is no tactical methodology to basement dweller Biden. The election only matters in the swing states. California, New York, Massachusetts, Oregon, Washington, Illinois and so forth are guaranteed Democrat votes.

The only place you can win a national election is in the swing states, and Trump won those in 2016. Hillary didn't even bother campaigning in the only places that mattered, instead she spent her time in California and other liberal states. Even Bill Clinton told her she should be focusing on the swing states, and she bit his head off for giving her advice.

2020 Democrats knew the only places that mattered were the swing states, and so they utilized covid rules to get corruption into the system.

In 2022, the corruption was still poisoning the system.

127 posted on 12/31/2022 2:00:32 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
To me all it does is prove what I don't want to believe - People vote far more on emotion then for any bother reason. They'll even vote against their interest if they've bought deeply enough emotionally into the candidate.

Confirms the wisdom of the Founding Fathers in minimizing the influence of ‘democracy’.

128 posted on 12/31/2022 2:12:13 PM PST by Reily
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To: Reily
Democracy was less of a problem when you had to be a taxpayer to vote, and when you had to be at least 21 to vote.

The 24th, the 26th and the 19th amendments were all bad ideas.

129 posted on 12/31/2022 2:19:00 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
That's why they booked stadiums and other large venues, and then had to install and or move curtains to cover up the fact his crowd size was ridiculously small.

Where and when during 2020 would be helpful to know. I work with several Biden supporters (who enjoy telling people of that) and based anecdotally on their behavior, there’s no way they would attend a rally during 2020 with COVID stories being broadcast and written about to the extent they were.

130 posted on 12/31/2022 2:31:54 PM PST by Fury
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To: Fury

What you posted was gaslighting PERIOD.


131 posted on 12/31/2022 5:55:14 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: central_va

LOL. No, it was in direct response to what another poster wrote, you just don’t like what was written.

Try not to be so triggered by viewpoints you don’t agree with.


132 posted on 12/31/2022 6:14:59 PM PST by Fury
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To: Drew68

Lake won the primary with only 48% and then failed to consolidate the Republican vote. As you noted, she made comments that further divided Republicans. Her campaign strategy was flawed. What an embarrassment to lose to Katie Hobbs.


133 posted on 12/31/2022 6:42:55 PM PST by nbenyo
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To: nbenyo
What an embarrassment to lose to Katie Hobbs.

Yep.

It wasn't unproven election fraud.

It was incompetence.

Arizona sent John McCain to congress repeatedly for 30 years. They named an airport after him.

Lake told these voters to "Get the hell out."

And they did.

That's why she lost.

134 posted on 12/31/2022 6:53:06 PM PST by Drew68 (Ron DeSantis for President 2024)
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To: Fury
Where and when during 2020 would be helpful to know.

I read Free Republic. The various incidents to which I refer were covered in articles posted on this website. I noticed them, but I did not have any reason to mark the locations and times as this is not an issue I considered important at the time.

There may be others here who could give you better details, but for me, this was just an amusing topic, not one I wanted to discuss further.

I work with several Biden supporters (who enjoy telling people of that) and based anecdotally on their behavior, there’s no way they would attend a rally during 2020 with COVID stories being broadcast and written about to the extent they were.

Spin. Political activists are always spinning a disaster into looking like they planned it that way. They initiators are just lying, the followers believe it only because everyone in their circles "knows" that.

Even if you confronted them with specific locations and dates, they would not rethink their position. When you are dealing with people, you will often be unable to get them to change their mind no matter what evidence you present to them.

135 posted on 01/02/2023 9:24:12 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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