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Kremlin Offer to Negotiate on Ukraine Dismissed by Ret. General: 'They Lie'
Newsweek ^ | December 25, 2022 | Fatma Khaled

Posted on 12/25/2022 6:04:46 PM PST by familyop

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To: Gnome1949
Ukraine is NOT winning.


41 posted on 12/25/2022 6:54:36 PM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: tlozo

“So what agreement did we break?”

The West broke Minsk 2 and now ADMITS IT, but then you know that, and thus are just TROLLING when you ask that question.

In any case, good luck trying to get Russia to agree to anything but UNCONDITIONAL Ukrainian surrender. And the thing is, it didn’t have to be that way...


42 posted on 12/25/2022 6:55:34 PM PST by BobL
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To: familyop

“That was the past,”

Yes it was.


43 posted on 12/25/2022 6:55:36 PM PST by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: Widget Jr

Yeah, that clown wants to ethnically cleanse the US Military of any references or memorials of anything confederate. Even the Reunification Monument at West Poing. He’s a CNN analyst. He’s a clown.


44 posted on 12/25/2022 6:56:02 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: tlozo

“Russia has not lost its imperial ambitions.”

So it appears.


45 posted on 12/25/2022 6:57:47 PM PST by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: BobL
The West broke Minsk 2

LOL, its hard to break an agreement, you didn't sign.

Signatories

The document was signed by:

Separatist's leaders Alexander Zakharchenko and Igor Plotnitsky

Swiss diplomat and OSCE representative Heidi Tagliavini

Former president of Ukraine and Ukrainian representative Leonid Kuchma

Russian Ambassador to Ukraine and Russian representative Mikhail Zurabov

46 posted on 12/25/2022 7:00:06 PM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: tlozo

“LOL, its hard to break an agreement, you didn’t sign.”

Go take it to the UN, and good luck.


47 posted on 12/25/2022 7:03:06 PM PST by BobL
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To: BobL
Go take it to the UN, and good luck.

Right, so who in the West signed the agreement?

48 posted on 12/25/2022 7:04:46 PM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: tlozo

“Right, so who in the West signed the agreement?”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus#/media/File:Normandy_format_talks_in_Minsk_(February_2015)_03.jpeg

“Leaders of Belarus, Russia, Germany, France, and Ukraine at the summit in Minsk, 11–12 February 2015”


49 posted on 12/25/2022 7:09:46 PM PST by BobL
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To: BobL
Go take it to the UN, and good luck.

Its hysterical that you accuse the 'west' of breaking Minsk when they didn't sign it, when even though there is a signature of the Russian ambassador on it, Russia claims its not a party to Minsk.

Diplomat reminds US, Ukraine that Russia is not a party to Minsk agreements

Maria Zakharova stressed that the Package of Measures was mandatory for the parties to the intra-Ukrainian conflict: Kiev, Donetsk and Lugansk

Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova has stressed that Russia is not a party to the Minsk agreements and urged the US Embassy in Moscow to inform the US diplomatic mission in Kiev about that.

https://tass.com/world/1334327

50 posted on 12/25/2022 7:11:19 PM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: tlozo

“Its hysterical that you accuse the ‘west’ of breaking Minsk when they didn’t sign it”

No, I just don’t litigate treaties. Again, take it to the UN, or better yet, do what Jimmy Carter did when our hostages were taken and go the World Court.

And no, not interested in your opinion...because you’re not going to help the Neocons by trying to parse words in Minsk 2.


51 posted on 12/25/2022 7:14:10 PM PST by BobL
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To: BobL
“Leaders of Belarus, Russia, Germany, France, and Ukraine at the summit in Minsk

So they are at Minsk, did they all sign? No

Signatories

The document was signed by:

Separatist's leaders Alexander Zakharchenko and Igor Plotnitsky

Swiss diplomat and OSCE representative Heidi Tagliavini

Former president of Ukraine and Ukrainian representative Leonid Kuchma

Russian Ambassador to Ukraine and Russian representative Mikhail Zurabov

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements

52 posted on 12/25/2022 7:14:25 PM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: BobL
No, I just don’t litigate treaties

You don;t have to 'litigate' the treaty, just look up who signed it.

53 posted on 12/25/2022 7:15:52 PM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: tlozo

“You don;t have to ‘litigate’ the treaty, just look up who signed it.”

Again it doesn’t matter, as I don’t litigate treaties. Again, take your case to the UN, I can give you a link if you needed it.

As far as the rest of the world is concerned, the FAILURE to implement Minsk 2 is why this war started, and Merkel saying Minsk 2 was a SHAM, from the start, is the reason.

And your cute attempts at parsing the treaty isn’t going to change a damn thing.


54 posted on 12/25/2022 7:20:55 PM PST by BobL
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To: BobL
“You don;t have to ‘litigate’ the treaty, just look up who signed it.” -----------------------------------------------------

Again it doesn’t matter, as I don’t litigate treaties.

Or look up signatories of a treaty, while incorrectly saying the 'West' broke Minsk 2.

55 posted on 12/25/2022 7:25:12 PM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: tlozo

“Or look up signatories of a treaty, while incorrectly saying the ‘West’ broke Minsk 2.”

Again, take your parsing to the UN. Unlike the Neocons, I never went to the Kennedy School to learn how to finish off the US as a superpower.


56 posted on 12/25/2022 7:28:09 PM PST by BobL
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To: BobL
Again, take your parsing to the UN.

Simply establishing who exactly is part of the treaty by checking who signed the treaty, is according to you "parsing". Its ridiculous to accuse the West of violating Minsk 2 when NO western leader or their Foreign Minister or ambassador signed Minsk 2.

In great irony, Russian ambassador actually signed Minsk 2, but the Kremlin spokeswoman said Russia is not a party to the Minsk agreements.

Diplomat reminds US, Ukraine that Russia is not a party to Minsk agreements

https://tass.com/world/1334327

57 posted on 12/25/2022 7:34:40 PM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: tlozo

There are PLENTY of Neocon and Globalists forums for your type.

Again, take you litigation there, see what they have to say, and then come back to us. Right now what you claim means nothing here.


58 posted on 12/25/2022 7:40:47 PM PST by BobL
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To: DesertRhino
Yeah, that clown wants to ethnically cleanse the US Military of any references or memorials of anything confederate. Even the Reunification Monument at West Poing.

Hertling is on the American Battle Monuments Commission. It is the The Naming Commission created by Congress in 2021 as a short term independent agency that is removing Confederate symbols from military facilities.

Both agencies are independent from each other. Hertling has no involvement and no authority over removing monuments. Not only is it irrelevant to his experiences dealing with Russian counterparts, it is false.

59 posted on 12/25/2022 7:43:32 PM PST by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Sláva Ukrayíni 🇺🇦 - Just say no to CCCP 2.0)
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To: familyop
'They Lie'
Putin Insists 99.9 Percent of Russians Ready to 'Sacrifice Everything'

That must be after the hundreds of thousands left Russia to escape Putin's meat-grinder.
60 posted on 12/25/2022 8:05:56 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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