Posted on 12/09/2022 6:45:51 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
Well if this doesn't work out for them, I hear there are openings for bumbling idiot LEOs in Uvalde.
The stupid police left the cars outside unattended for a week, created a perimeter smaller than we see here for a single shooting incident with a known perp on the run or a fatal auto accident and now are boxing up stuff and returning it to families when they claim not to have a suspect. They have completely mismanaged relationships with the families. The police are A-holes and if those were my children I’ve be on TV every day handing them their asses on a plate.
When the crime is solved (probably by a guilty conscience mother) or some mistake by the perp, those bums will be high fiving each other and talking about what a great job they did. Makes me want to puke.
“wonder if they even took fingerprints from this door. “
The killer(s) wore gloves and shoe coverings. And probably some type of coverall. There are no bloody footprints outside, no drops of blood found outside anywhere. Whoever did this had the great presence of mind to change clothes before leaving. I can think of no other explanation of the facts we see.
To me, it is the most bizarre part of this. What appears to be a crime of passion is anything but spontaneous. A first time killer, flush with adrenaline, remembers to change clothes clothes and stuff them into a bag, all the while there were two other housemates just feet away.
Yes, but does a seasoned killer change clothes and wander off leaving two persons in the first floor who may have seen and heard everything and may even follow the seasoned killer out the door and down the street? Or, is he dumb enough not to notice the main apartment entrance which leads to their apartment?
Thanks for your reply. These are puzzling murders.
Why didn’t he kill the other two women? Whatever the reason, it wasn’t a dumb choice. We don’t know if he was aware there were other people home.
we don’t know the location and disposition of the bodies, but either the man/boy heard something and got up to investigate, it is was a classic horror film scene where he’s unaware, goes to the bathroom for a leak and is attacked by surprise, or they both were still asleep.
Unless they awoke, why were they killed?
I’m going with this scenario: The first two women were his target, for reasons we don’t know yet. He goes to their BR, and closes the door. The comotion wakes up the guy who goes to investigate. The door is closed, so he knocks. The killer surprises him. The only loose end is the GF. Was she still asleep?
The killer leaves because he’s tired. he’s been at this for 15 minutes or so and either doesn’t know the other two are there, or listens and decides to bolt.
But again, this is a killer with nerves of steel. He stops and changes clothes before leaving.
I’m just shooting my mouth off, but if you ignore the attractive women, this could be a professional job. We still have NO motive for this.
How about: The killer has targeted (let’s just say) Kaylee.
He goes to the house. at midnight. Door unlocked, no one in the 2nd or 3rd floor. He hides in wait. Ethan and Xana come home and he waits until all is quiet and kills them both. He resumes lying in wait. Kaylee and Madison come home. They make a few phone calls and hop into the same bed on the 3rd floor. Killer surprises them and kills them.
He places socks over shoes and departs.
“How about: The killer has targeted (let’s just say) Kaylee.
He goes to the house. at midnight. Door unlocked, no one in the 2nd or 3rd floor. He hides in wait. Ethan and Xana come home and he waits until all is quiet and kills them both. He resumes lying in wait. Kaylee and Madison come home. They make a few phone calls and hop into the same bed on the 3rd floor. Killer surprises them and kills them.
He places socks over shoes and departs.”
I hadn’t considered the possibility that the killer entered earlier. But that adds another facet, a movie trope of a killer lying in wait.
I’m no detective, but this doesn’t fit.
To start, we have ruled out any close friends. I’m saying that because I’m confident that anyone in their circle of close friends who could have done this, would be almost instantly under suspicion. “Bob”, the weird friend/cousin/next-door neighbor has already been interviewed.
As one profiler said, the killer came to the house to kill. He didn’t come to talk or even confront. So, the killer was already in homicidal state. I just don’t see that person hiding and waiting for a chance to surprise them.
What is left? A serial killer, a stranger, a contract killing, or mistaken identity?
Obviously not a passionate crime.
So the killer lying in wait is the most likely scenario for a targeted attack.
They were so social, I disagree that it wasn’t a person known to one of them. And, the lying in wait and killing them seriatim is the only scenario that allows the killing of two different groups in two different parts of the house without detection.
You may be right, but the ‘lying in wait’ scenario is hard for me to buy. It would take a super-human level of patience. Plus, the risk that someone might notice something.
I’m hiding in the closet, but I’m not going to jump out as soon as they get home. Or as soon as they are in bed. I’m going to wait while they make phone calls, etc. And then...
I just don’t see the killer taking those chances, being that patient. What if while hiding the killer is discovered and they run from the house? Why not wait outside (assuming the killer waited) until the lights were off?
Finally, both groups of victims had to be unconscious. Otherwise, someone would have heard something and reacted - I cannot see this as a quiet scene.
I think that lying in wait is the only way he would have gotten to them two at a time in their own beds.
And, I think that dispassionate cold blooded psychopathy is exactly what we are looking at. Not some nervous fidgeting insecure person like you or I might be in the circumstance.
During the initial press conference a policeman announced that the front door was left open.
Then weeks later a policeman throws a fit about the information being out there and says he doesn’t know where it came from.
If this was the same policeman here then maybe he has Alzheimers.
Bad language in this video but he makes the point about the police announcing the door was open in the first press conference and then denying knowledge of this and complaining about the information later. Footage of the first press conference in the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4RQ4EgxnJY
To see the entire first press conference and without the first narrator’s sometime use of bad language, somewhere in these two videos, (first one I think):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8zlHE7zRIs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1Q5xFep2UA
Not sure this is right, but according to this video, apparently the front door’s lock was a code not a key (which seems very strange) and the sliding glass door entering to the 2nd floor on the other side of the house was left open and is where the video narrator believes the killer entered the house. This could maybe provide some explanation as to whether the front door was open being a less memorable detail to police, not to excuse the memory lapse.
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