Posted on 12/07/2022 8:25:25 AM PST by SeekAndFind
“McCarthy deserves to lose. He didn’t do anything about our elections.”
Which was supposed to be what, within his minority power status in the House???
Do you really believe, there are 10 or so current Republicans, who would actually vote for a Democratic party Speaker?
If so, do you even want those in the Republican Party, anyway? Because if they are going to vote for a Democratic speaker, they would likely vote with the Democrats on all important issues, as well. And if they cast those votes for a Democratic Speaker, they would be excommunicated from Republican party, and likely lose their House seat as a result.
I'm not saying it's not possible. But if it does, we're probably better off exposing them, and crossing that bridge, now.
Who do you want to be Speaker?
McCarthy had his chance and wasted it, Biggs does what he says.
My problem with the leadership positions in the House and the Senate is that the current set up hijacks the Constitutional powers of those two bodies and invests too much of those powers in the leadership positions - as opposed to the bodies as a whole, by way of the “rules” each house is permittted to write for itself. “Democracy” dies when majorities sacrifice their own powers to a few.
The holders of a all leadership positions temorary (no more than one session) and term limited, from the leaders of the whole bodies to all committee leadership positions.
The House and the Senate do not reflect the ideals of this Republic. They are and they operate as bodies “led” by political olgarchies, entrenched within and by the “rules” the bodies are constitutionally allowed to write for themselves.
I’m thinking that if McCarthy doesn’t need 218 than neither do the Democrats.
Yes do something and work with the RNC.
RE: I read somewhere else Fred Upton, even though he is retiring he could still do it
No, not Fred Upton. He was one of a few Congressmen who voted to impeach President Trump on the totally bogus charge of inciting rebellion on January 6,2021. By making him the speaker, you’ll just have another Paul Ryan or worse.
I think how this will play out is that McCarthy will be “forced” to make a deal with Dems and give them plenty of concessions.
Unless McCarthy withdrawals, he will continue to get almost but the last few Republican votes needed, but enough to overcome whoever else the Democrats are proposing.
He can then either partner with the Conservative holdouts in the House, by giving them the power on committees they are asking for, to get the final votes he needs, OR, he can then partner with the supposed "moderate Democrats" to get the final votes he needs to keep his RINO buddies in charge of the committees.
That choice of McCarthy's will be made and the votes already lined up before the official vote is done.
That’s probably why the Democrats are supporting him
Problem with that is that Biggs and co., who purport to speak for the Freedom Caucus, are the same people who lost us the election. What we need are representatives who listen to we the people, not some looneys who take the bit in their teeth and run with deeply unpopular policies
Which election are you saying we lost? This whole thread is about us winning back the House.
What we need are representatives who listen to we the people, not some looneys who take the bit in their teeth and run with deeply unpopular policies
So you think the Freedom Caucus is full of looneys? No wonder you're jonesing about getting McCarthy installed. If anyone is responsible for how screwed up things are right now, RINO's like him would be at the top. We were able to get rid of Ryan, now they're trying to put another one just like him right back in.
He will ultimately get in, but he'll either have to concede some power to the conservative wing, to get their votes, or put on full display for everyone he's closer to the democrats and their goals, to get those votes instead. Sounds like you'd prefer option #2. Heck why not just let the Democrats get the new Speakership, if it'll help keep those Freedom Caucus loons out of power, right?
I think it is telling that these guys purport to speak for the Freedom Caucus when you have higher profile Freedom Caucus members like Steve Scalise refusing to go along with them. Clearly, then, they do not speak for the Freedom Caucus.
We lost the Senate and we greatly underperformed in the House, given that this is a year with 8% inflation (according to the official count), shortages left right and center, and $4+ gas.
Scalise isn’t a member of the Freedom Caucus.
https://scalise.house.gov/about/committees-and-caucuses
https://ballotpedia.org/House_Freedom_Caucus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Caucus
My mistake, I figured that since he was their pick to go against McCarthy he must be one of them.
But then again, you have a wiki list because there is no official list because only some members have gone public with their membership.
I linked Scalise’s own website which lists all his Caucuses, and the Freedom Caucus is not one of them. I even went back and couldn’t find any evidence he was ever a member, either. I don’t really want to debate this any more, my only goal was ever to try to keep you from worrying that a Democrat will somehow sneak into the Speakership. The only way that could happen is if some Republicans vote for a Democratic Speaker, or refuse to vote so that the Democrat wins, which has basically zero chance of happening. Later.
That doesn’t matter, they haven’t all gone public, and the page listing caucuses is public
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