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If Marriage Can Mean Anything, It Will Soon Mean Nothing: The Respect for Marriage Act lets the government establish a permanent presence in your personal life while redefining your relationships.
The Federalist ^ | 11/29/2022 | Stella Morabito

Posted on 11/29/2022 10:00:35 PM PST by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 11/29/2022 10:00:35 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The author of this article is concerned that the end game would be no governmental or state recognition of marriage.

But whenever discussions of marriage have come up here on free Republic, a number of people say that government should not be involved in defining marriage in the first place. Those Freepers express a libertarian view that government has no place in any recognition of any family circumstances under the law.


2 posted on 11/29/2022 10:11:02 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: SeekAndFind

Yet another reason, guys, not to get married.

At least a marriage where you sign a state marriage contract. IE where the state is involved with issuing a license or anything.


3 posted on 11/29/2022 10:35:36 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This might be a good first step, that’s long overdue, for people to divorce the government when it comes to marriage. The State has no business being an unwelcome third party to marriage.


4 posted on 11/29/2022 10:46:06 PM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: SeekAndFind

Marriage today is 3-way. The husband is married to the state, the wife is married to the state, and the state administers the marriage thru contract law (licenses, taxes, Social Security, divorce, ...).

There is a dotted-line between husband and wife.

This is all relatively recent - used to be the husband and wife were really married to each other. They married, the marriage recorded in a bible, the bible brought to a local record keeper (Church, town hall, etc) for posterity. I believe there is only one state (more?) that allows a couple to marry, no license required, in the old way - I think it is Alabama.


5 posted on 11/29/2022 10:55:46 PM PST by C210N (Everything will be okay in the end. If it’s not okay, it’s not the end.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
But whenever discussions of marriage have come up here on free Republic, a number of people say that government should not be involved in defining marriage in the first place. Those Freepers express a libertarian view that government has no place in any recognition of any family circumstances under the law.

My gut feeling is that, if Big Govt. were to begin recognizing any and all assemblages of freaks as "married partners," it might actually be better if Big Govt. were to instead be totally excluded from the process.

As a married man (married to a woman), I would frankly prefer that the institution of marriage cease entirely to be a govt. concern than to see my marriage ranked together with homo-poly relationships.

Caveat: It may, of course, be strategically better to resist that.

Regards,

6 posted on 11/29/2022 10:56:08 PM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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Alabama no longer requires marriage licenses or solemnization... What does that mean, and will other states follow?
7 posted on 11/29/2022 11:02:59 PM PST by C210N (Everything will be okay in the end. If it’s not okay, it’s not the end.)
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To: SeekAndFind

More federal involvement in things it was never constitutionally allowed to involve itself in. This will not end well.


8 posted on 11/29/2022 11:11:18 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Dilbert San Diego

It is a weird dynamic. Left up to states, we saw some banning interracial marriage, ie Loving. Or be like pre union Utah and have polygamy. Going forward will polygamy be a hill to fight on, or is all norms out the window.


9 posted on 11/29/2022 11:13:34 PM PST by Theoria
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To: Telepathic Intruder
”In your face” is our communist masters' favorite tool to rattle the chains of tyranny that they have wrapped around our necks...

No Big Deal!
Our communist masters know that the pathetically servile and indolent Aamerican people will just continue to roll over and spread their collective cheeks...

The Aamerican people now understand that the First Amendment calls for them to:
Bow down!... Obey!... Snitch!...

10 posted on 11/29/2022 11:14:08 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is the next Sam Adams when we so desperatly need him)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

The way I understand this legislation to read, if one state recognizes something as a “marriage”, it compells the other states to also recognize it as such.

There is going to be a point down the road where all sorts of unintended consequences result. Plural marriages, incestuous marriages, marriages to invalids, possibly child marriages and marriages to nonhumans (not sure on that one, but you know there’s some mentally ill woman in Vermont or California just waiting for the chance to finally marry her pet falcon And a lawyer or two just crazy enough to file the suit.)

Eventually the silliness will reap what it has sown. A big part of the government’s role in recognizing marriage is to dole out government benefits. The computer systems that dole out government benefits are already fifty plus years old, hanging on by a thread, and nobody is learning how to code in the languages that they are written in, much less learning the necessary subject matter knowledge to unscrable fifty years of patches, spaghetti code, and one time bug fixes. And that is if the societal outrage doesnt break the system first.


11 posted on 11/29/2022 11:24:14 PM PST by jz638
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Not to mention special privileges assigned to spouses, such as not having to testify against each other in a court of law.

Will we find mafioso all of a sudden creating polyamorous "gay" marriages so that none of them can be forced to rat out the others?

I can see people marrying those who they normally wouldn't just to allow them onto their medical plan, etc.

12 posted on 11/29/2022 11:47:36 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear (What is left around which to circle the wagons?)
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“Marriage today is 3-way.”

unfortunately, too many marriages are 3 way nowadays. of course often done under the guise of “experimentation”


13 posted on 11/30/2022 12:26:21 AM PST by Jaysin (Trump can’t be beat, unless the democrats cheat)
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To: SeekAndFind

Marriage has been dead for nearly 50 years. The moment no fault divorce came to be, the government nullified marriage vows for nearly everybody. Despite a person’s vow to stay faithful and to stay by their spouse in sickness and in health, for richer or for poorer and to forsake all others.....UNCLE SAMS ROLLS IN AND SAYS NAH.

I’M NOT HAPPY became a legal reason to get divorced. Thus the marriage contract became strictly voluntary. And thus marriage is dead. Toss in the family court making millions of men destitute because his wife was a cheating whore or simply “not happy” you now compounded the initial injustice with another.

I know a man who’s wife cheated on him with his once upon a time best friend. The husband moved out, the old friend moved in and slept on his bed, with his wife and lived with his children. And he had to pay that bitch every month. I thought slavery was abolished but it’s alive and well.

This new law is just another insult to the broken institution of marriage. Marriage in the west is a huge joke.


14 posted on 11/30/2022 12:47:31 AM PST by BJ1
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To: SeekAndFind

Now the Packers can turn any church they want into proverbial bakeries to shut them down. Except they’ll not press their luck with the muzzies.


15 posted on 11/30/2022 1:07:16 AM PST by Old Yeller (A nation of sheep, produces a government of wolves.l)
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To: SeekAndFind

If I marry a robot, can I get insurance for mechanical repairs through my company?


16 posted on 11/30/2022 1:45:30 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: T.B. Yoits
The State has no business being an unwelcome third party to marriage.

It that’s the case, then get ready to welcome polygamous marriage, incestuous marriage and anything else anyone dreams up as “marriage.” Because you have paved the way for all of this.

17 posted on 11/30/2022 3:28:48 AM PST by fwdude (Society has been fully polarized now, and you have to decide on which pole you want to be found.)
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To: SeekAndFind

In spite of the claims, it is a full all-out attack on the Church and Religious freedom as the Devil is in the details, literally.


18 posted on 11/30/2022 3:33:57 AM PST by dpetty121263
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To: SeekAndFind

Yet another bill that is named with the exact opposite of what the bill actually does.


19 posted on 11/30/2022 4:19:36 AM PST by Neverlift (When someone says "you just can't make this stuff up" odds are good, somebody did.)
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Man thinks he can usurp God...LOL. Marriage is between a MAN and a WOMAN...period. Men can pass ‘laws’ until they are blue in the face, but that changes NOTHING.


20 posted on 11/30/2022 4:31:34 AM PST by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...siameserescue.org)
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