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Russian authorities advise civilians to leave Ukraine region
apnews.com ^ | October 22, 2022 | ANDREW MELDRUM and JOANNA KOZLOWSKA

Posted on 10/22/2022 10:29:17 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

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To: MalPearce

You sound like a BIA a$$hole telling the Indian chief that paper he is holding signed by the Army General was not a “real” treaty, signed by the Senate in Washington, so that’s why the soldiers are there to help move his tribe to their new reservation.

This is exactly why the rest of the world is telling the GAE to screw off. Our promises mean nothing. We will Loophole Charlie you at the time of our choosing.


61 posted on 10/22/2022 2:39:43 PM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: MalPearce

Good points.

Good home video of a Kherson photographer who witnessed and filmed some of the first three months of Russian occupation and was able to escape to the north before things turned much worse:

” On March 1 Dmytro Bahnenko, a journalist in Kherson, southern Ukraine, watched Russian tanks roll down his street. As his world, like many Ukrainians’, turned upside down, he secretly started filming everything around him, sensing history in the making, and sharing the footage with BBC Eye.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJSzVW6ZYOA&t=11s


62 posted on 10/22/2022 3:02:53 PM PDT by Uncle Lonny
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To: Berlin_Freeper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTxZfVDj_dc

The right bank of Kiev is currently covered in darkness this evening as the Ukrainian authorities began to implement their planned power outage to save energy, these power outage are due to continued Russian strikes targeting Ukraine's energy infrastructure.

63 posted on 10/22/2022 3:18:16 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Travis McGee
No, I sound like the Brexiteer telling the dumb-shit refusenik remainer that it is a matter of fact that the UK left the EU, so the EU should stop acting like it can roll the clock back and bring us back in when we wanted out, we got out, and it's not something they can reverse.

The picture in your post  is not an international treaty. It's simply a record of a conversation between Sheveradnaze and Baker prior to the formal agreement. It's no more binding than Stepanov-Mamaladze's notes from February 12, 1990, from the Ottawa Open Skies conference, which state (in translation) "And if a United Germany stays in NATO, we should take care about non-expansion of its jurisdiction to the east.".

It's also no more binding than the minutes from February 6, 1990, when Genscher told our then foreign minister Douglas Hurd, “The Russians must have some assurance that if, for example, the Polish Government left the Warsaw Pact one day, they would not join NATO the next.” Although that statement was far more explicit about WHY the assurance had been given.

In June 1990, Thatcher said to Gorbachev: “We must find ways to give the Soviet Union confidence that its security would be assured…. CSCE could be an umbrella for all this, as well as being the forum which brought the Soviet Union fully into discussion about the future of Europe.

Get this into your thick head. All those historical artefacts pertained to assuring the Soviet Union that the Iron Curtain, and the Warsaw Pact region, would not be eroded by German reunification - nothing more.

They had absolutely sweet FA to do with the sovereignty, security and territorial integrity of an independent Russia in a post-USSR world where the Warsaw Pact no longer applied and the Iron Curtain no longer existed .

Once the Iron Curtain came down (as a consequence of dissolving the USSR), Russia gave up its right to dictate the future of the Warsaw Pact countries. And it did so willingly.

Putin's Russia cannot just erase thirty years of its own assurances, and pretend the legal recognition of the independence of the nations behind the Iron Curtain don't matter.

Putin's perennial complaints about NATO expansion are nonsensical and disingenuous - the only reason to object to the multiple accords Russia signed pre-Putin to tear down the Iron Curtain and replace the USSR with fully independent nation states is if Putin wants the USSR to make a comeback, and bring back the Cold War and Iron Curtain.

The Cold War cost the USA trillions of dollars and required over fifty years of the military-industrial complex to maintain.
Russia wants to bring it back.
Do you want it back? Because if you do, you're a Deep State patsy.

64 posted on 10/22/2022 3:22:36 PM PDT by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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To: Allegra
Any armed conflict brings withit suffering and death......

I've never been in a war zone - but our Pastor was a medic in Vietnam and he gave a personal account of what he saw at a special evening service for adults only. He had a distinctive way of articulating what you would never imagine otherwise, or read about...... Nothing impacted my understanding of war or conflicts since then.

65 posted on 10/22/2022 6:12:44 PM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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To: Allegra

BTW That Pastor medic was on the front lines in Vietnam.


66 posted on 10/22/2022 6:13:44 PM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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Any armed conflict brings withit suffering and death......

Yes, I know.

I've never been in a war zone -

I have. For a few years.

…but our Pastor was a medic in Vietnam and he gave a personal account of what he saw at a special evening service for adults only. He had a distinctive way of articulating what you would never imagine otherwise, or read about

Huge respect to everybody who served in that one. From every account I’ve read or heard personally, that was a brutal war.

Nothing impacted my understanding of war or conflicts since then.

Nothing beats experiencing it first hand. I was not on the front lines and did not experience what our combat troops did. But I experienced enough.

67 posted on 10/22/2022 8:52:12 PM PDT by Allegra
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To: MalPearce

Good information. Well said.


68 posted on 10/23/2022 6:08:07 AM PDT by Uncle Lonny
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