Posted on 10/06/2022 1:02:14 PM PDT by dynachrome
Our political class might be evil but they aren’t stupid. They knew Ukraine was one of the most corrupt nations in the world and knew it would be a perfect place for a money laundering operation.
“They steal our money and use it to buy our weapons.”
So it’s basically a gift to our arms manufacturers, with, of course, 10% going to the big guy... and probably 20% going to the crooks who run Ukraine.
As somebody once said, “beware of the government-military complex”.
All the quips about “the bug guy” fail to observe who “the big guy” was when this fraud was committed.
The offences were committed when Poroshenko was in office and while the Azov supporting ministers were outnumbered by Yanukovych’s placemen.
Funnily enough, (a) the USA hadn’t bunged as much into Ukrainian political pockets as the Kremlin had, and (b) Zelenskyy hadn’t even entered politics.
Financial fraud investigations take years - just look at the Big Four cases that rolled on fir almost a decade.
If anything this news story only demonstrates that when Zelenskyy ran on an anti corruption ticket, he actually DID launch anti-corruption investigations.
He might well be shovelling money into his own back pocket, and all the rest. Time will tell. But this story doesn’t actually expose him. It simply demonstrates what we already knew: before the 2019 election the Rada in Ukraine was so corrupt and the Presidency so totally compromised that nobody wanted Poroshenko or the next available Kremlin poodle running the country.
Please tell me you are just learning this???
🇺🇸 As nearly every country has stipulated to Ukraine for weapons purchases from the beginning, the US also from the beginning, openly stipulated to Ukraine that weapons funding (=lending) from the US required the purchase of US weapons.
From 24 FEB 2022 to the end of September 2022, the US weapons funding/loans to Ukraine has been approx $14.5 Billion dollars.
As such, UA’s weapons purchases of $14.5 Billion dollars from US, have resulted in both direct, and indirect payments to either US defense companies, or from the Pentagon, which then replenishes itself with new purchases from the defense contractors.
Countries around the world which have provided loans to Ukraine have stipulate the same.
Chinese and Iranian lending to Russia is ultimately the same, but have utilized energy as a form of payment, which in Iran’s case has been sold at higher profits, often through Russian, Chinese, and Iranian NGO’s.
The rules are not the same for humanitarian aid.
Two different “buckets”. 🇺🇸🎚
Or rather —
“Please tell me you are not just learning this???”
Agreed. They corrupt are also willing to see the world burn before they get caught stealing. That’s really why the Biden Administration is hell bent on nuclear war. Hard to go to prison if the world is a smoldering ash pile. Just my opinion.
🇺🇸🇺🇦 “If they caught the perps, then the Ukrainian system of law enforcement and justice is working, no?”
Agree, and glad they caught him!
Crime is evil, and that this vulture committed this crime during wartime is treasonous, as he knew it would not be used for war torn purposes or efforts.
But that he was caught, is itself evidence of an operational law system.
As the Ukrainian law system has gone this far, they are likely to try and recover/repatriate the money.
One way that doesn’t happen, is if the money was spent or sheltered in Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela, Peru, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Mexico, Cuba, etc, etc.. 🇺🇸🎚
“Chinese and Iranian lending to Russia is ultimately the same, but have utilized energy as a form of payment”
At least they’re getting something from Russia, what are we getting from Ukraine?
If the head of the national bank is that corrupt, how many under him and running the bank now are corrupt?
I Apologize for the delay —
🇺🇸 I am going to go deeper than just answering the question about Ukraine dept pay back, as there is a crazy historical precedence for modern US anchored Global finance, some of which may be okay, and some of it tragic and deadly.
🔹️ Even before the wave of reports in the past few weeks, going into how the US was going to restructure all Ukraine war loans/debt into a WWII “Lend Lease” architecture, the loans have largely already been set up in the model of “Lend Lease”. So low interest war loans to Ukraine.
🔹️ For an idea of how long pay back could be stretched out, Britain only more recently paid off it’s WWII “Lend Lease” loans to the United States.
🔹️ Conversely, and while highly controversial, under President’s FDR and Truman, the US simply erased massive Russian/Soviet WWII “Lend Lease” debts, which greatly aided in Communism’s violent and genocidal spread around the world, and eventually with approximately 80,000 nuclear warheads aimed at Europe, United States, Japan, and other western allied nations, nearly 76,000 tanks, and approx 80,000 towed artillery howitzers and cannon immediately adjacent to NATO’s Eastern front along the “Iron Curtain”, the border of which from 1945 to 1989, was often no wider than the thickness of a wall, or even chain link fence. There were no true “buffer countries”. We would later confirm from Soviet generals, the only reason they did not order the invasion of Centeal and Western Europe, and overwhelm a far smaller NATO armored defense’s, was only due to the US having fielded nuclear artillery, which would have wiped them out. Therefore, they never invaded and took Central and Western Europe.
🔹️ Later in time, AGAINST the previous strategic policy of the Reagan Doctrine, Bill Clinton and Al Gore would work through the 1990’s, to get another near $4.5 [T]rillion Dollars of largely hushed/dark money Sovereign CCCP post WWII debt erased, by essentially bullying the Federal Reserve, IMF, IBoSaT, London Club of Bankers, and the Paris Club of Bankers (included Barcelona, Madrid, Vienna and Rome), to simply eat the bad Soviet Communist Russian loans, in order to help prop up (keep from dying) - get this, Gorbachev’s and Russias’s then main backer, ‘Communist Internationale’.
Communist Internationale was in the 1980’s, 1990’s, and then through the 2000’s, the main financial backer of Gorbachev’s “Gorbachev Foundation”, and “Green Cross”, which had it’s “brain child” origin in the main East German KGB HQ in Berlin, and literally architected the UN’s “Earth Summit’s”, UN’s AGW Protocols, and UN-A21 and UN-A30.
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Back to Ukraine —
How can Ukraine pay back it’s loans/debt?
UA is one of the greatest food, energy, and mineral rich countries in all of Europe.
Similar to Israel, Ukraine could easily replace Russian energy if either of two separate majore energy pockets are liberated and developed.
You probably know this, but at least five of the world’s top energy companies had collectively invested nearly $7.5 Billion dollars into UA energy development, prior to 2014, but all the energy platforms and development was taken outright by Russian 8th Army Brigades in the Donbas, and elements of Russia’s 8th and 10th Army Spetsnaz and FSB in the Black Sea, due immediately South and throughout the international shipping lanes from Odessa to the Bosphorus Strait at Turkey (going to the Mediterranean)
🔹️ If UA were to get their joint UA/Western built rig’s back from FSB and Setsnaz, which have been using them as since 2014 as missile platforms, and bases to halt and harass global shipping in the shipping lanes out of Odessa, they could more easily pay back the loan’s.
🔹️ UA was also within just weeks of the ground breaking, to construct an even larger Nuclear Power Plant, utilizing current generation US tech, which was already agreed upon to provide massive dedicated power to multiple Eastern European countries.
🔹️ Another project which was ongoing, was the drastic enlargement of a large joint canal and lock system, which was to open shipping from the Black Sea to the Baltic Sea.
Video of Russian FSB and Spetsnaz 2014 takeover of shipping lanes, and harassment operations immediately South of Odessa (from 2014) to present, as well as Russia taking the natural gas and selling it, even selling it back to desperate Ukraine during Winter months —
2017 replay of 2014 servicemen from the 104th Paratrooper Regiment of the 76th Russian Paratrooper Division who took part in the capture of the Ukrainian oil rigs
“The oil drill platforms ]developed by Exxon Mobile, Royal Dutch Shell, British Petroleum, etc, etc] were moved from the Odessa shelf gas field accompanied by a convoy of the FSB boats and a missile boat of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. The protection of the rigs was carried out by servicemen of the 25th Separate Spetsnaz GRU Regiment together with the servicemen from the 810th Naval Infantry Brigade of the Russian Black Sea Fleet.”
There are short clips of elements of the 104th PR and 76th PD here —
This is just a tiny bit of what Ukraine was hit by in 2014, and as stated above, there were not merely transplanted Russian civilian vols.
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UA was set to become a much more vital economic force in Europe.
This is arguably one of the reasons they had to be stopped.
Despite all the war and multi-decade KGB/FSB DCM (asymmetric subversion strategies referred to as “Demoralization by Corruptive Means and Measures”), UA’s resources are largely known, and as such UA is still categorized for loans “+” (funding).
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The wild card is Russia, as historically, Russia as of 2014 has invaded Ukraine 13 times since “Ivan the Terrible”, who essentially established RUS in 1547.
To that point, the capital of the Slavic kingdom’s (with early roots back to the Scythia’s was Kiev-n-Rus, literally where Kiev sits today, and it existed as the Slavic regional capital since the early 9th Century, until Ivan the Terrible attempted to conquer the region by war.
No, not making that up.
“The wild card is Russia, as historically, Russia as of 2014 has invaded Ukraine 13 times since “Ivan the Terrible”, who essentially established RUS in 1547.
To that point, the capital of the Slavic kingdom’s (with early roots back to the Scythia’s was Kiev-n-Rus, literally where Kiev sits today, and it existed as the Slavic regional capital since the early 9th Century, until Ivan the Terrible attempted to conquer the region by war.”
Using history to justify or defend a claim is quite ineffective.
Like it or not, the reality is that when it comes to territorial ownership, history is not going to win you battles. What wins you battles is your ability and will to win battles. History might motivate you to fight, but unless you win, it’s not consequential, nor does the victor care. Look at the US and all the land it has taken from indians and mexico by force. And most every other (including the indians and the mexicans and spaniards) have done the same. To the victor go the spoils.
And territory is not the only thing that is subject to those realities. Culture also often is a point of contention. There are wars fought over that as well, as Muslims and others have done.
As a famous person once said... “you only own that which you are willing and able to defend by whatever means you have at your disposal” (including alliances, or the police - whatever you have at your disposal)
Sounds cruel, but it’s reality. And it applies to individuals as well as countries.
My specific main point wasn’t the history.
This was only included to demonstrate the “wildcard” of repeated efforts to control Ukraine.
Could have opened up history on several related Eaatern European empires.
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Bottom line, the US Legislature is going with “Lend Lease” for Ukraine war debt.
Sorry I missed your point, it was too much detail to wade through. How come you know so much about all that detailed history? Do you teach that stuff?
My guess is, our “lend/lease” “loans” to Ukraine are going to end up the same as the ones we made to various countries in WWII - mostly unpaid or forgiven.
Maybe I’m wrong, but the lend/lease program is mostly a legalistic/bookkeeping fig leaf to justify the transfer of funds that the current politicians in charge want to do.
No bank would make such a risky loan.
Of course, one could argue that the money we handed out that wasn’t repaid in kind was repayed in other ways, such as those states becoming American vassals after the war. A kind of political and economic “goodwill” that is hard to put a value on.
What do you think?
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