Russia WILL use its most powerful nukes to defend 'new territories' in Ukraine, Putin ally insists as he warns the West 'there is no going back'

Actually I am a monthly donor. I see you don’t get out much.

https://twitter.com/HuluuSmith/status/1506156621390843907?s=07

141 posted on 09/22/2022 10:57:16 PM PDT by MarMema (No bugs for consumption)

To: Boogieman; Kazan; delta7; cranked; BobL; NorseViking

142 posted on 09/22/2022 11:57:48 PM PDT by MarMema (No bugs for consumption)

Resident neocons are okay with it.

143 posted on 09/23/2022 12:47:36 AM PDT by NorseViking

Very close to the center of big deep-blue cesspit American city. Close enough to the center that I’d probably be blown to my constituent atoms if there were a nuclear strike.

144 posted on 09/23/2022 6:01:06 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )

Very close to the center of big deep-blue cesspit American city.

And you call that 'living well'?

Check yourself fool.

145 posted on 09/23/2022 6:03:47 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )

As usual, your side has to resort to ad hominem arguments. Where I live is affected by family issues and not just my own desires. If I had my druthers, I'd live in Texas as I have before.

If you want to argue that US interests in Ukraine are not worth the risks of open conflict with Russia, that's a rational if (in my view) mistaken argument. But I'm old enough to recall being carried by my mother to a fallout shelter in one of NY's last civil defense drills. So I am not particularly affected by all the hyperbole about nuclear war. It's a threat I've lived with my whole life. As has everyone else, even if their awareness of that threat has dimmed.

146 posted on 09/23/2022 6:25:38 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )

To: pierrem15; All

Anyone with an IQ above room temperature knows it doesn't matter one whit to Americans whose flag flies over Donetsk or Lugansk in the Donbas region...nothing changes here at all.

Suggesting we must all accept the risk of nuclear war to ensure some corrupt regime in eastern Europe holds onto a such territory otherwise we're not 'living well' is foolish in the extreme.

I'd say you have some mental issues to go along with the family ones.

147 posted on 09/23/2022 6:49:50 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )

I have never seen so much support for a Marxist potus. But then he is pretty close to a neocon in many ways.

148 posted on 09/23/2022 6:52:20 AM PDT by MarMema (No bugs for consumption)

We never got all worked up over South Ossetia. But then Pelosi and Biden weren’t money laundering there successfully with their kids.

149 posted on 09/23/2022 6:55:05 AM PDT by MarMema (No bugs for consumption)

It surprised me too.

150 posted on 09/23/2022 6:55:44 AM PDT by sport

The US has had an interest since 1945 in putting an end to great power seizures of territory, especially in Europe, as that competition produced both world wars.

As I see it, Ukraine was a probe by Putin to see how much he can get away with. If he succeeds, there's no reason to think he'll stop there. In regimes like Russia there is an internal dynamic that drives this hunger for empire, as conquest provides glory legitimizing the regime and more loot with which to reward supporters.

So defeating Putin's land grab is in America's best interests.

151 posted on 09/23/2022 7:26:33 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )

"Putin wouldn’t have nuke threats with Trump because Trump would be trying to Make America Great Again not trying to expand NATO’s reach."

Trump intentionally, directly made NATO stronger during his presidency -- a more attractive proposition to new NATO membership.

He demanded current NATO members pay their bills owed to the US, but also fully commit to the 2014 NATO "2% Rule" compact where all NATO members agreed to pay a minimum of 2% GDP into their NATO-pledged militaries.

"The U.S. led the way in strengthening the alliance presence along Russia's borders.
In 2016, the alliance agreed—after Russia's annexation of Crimea and support for separatists in eastern Ukraine—to send four multinational battalion battle groups totaling 3,000 to 4,000 troops to Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, and Poland; the four nations perceived as most at risk of Russian aggression.
The U.S. is the lead nation in the Polish contingent. The U.K. took the lead in Estonia, Canada in Latvia, and Germany in Lithuania. The plan is known as Enhanced Forward Presence.
Trump and his allies claimed credit for increasing military spending on the part of fellow NATO members.
"When it comes to decisions taken during the Trump administration in NATO, it had—at least here in this part of the world—a positive effect," Rinkevics said.
"I do believe that—to some extent—the pressure from his administration combined with the understanding that the threat is rising again, led us to the increase of defense spending. Many more countries are now spending more on defense than five years ago."
"We are happy with the deployment of Enhanced Forward Presence," Lithuania's foreign affairs vice-minister Mantas Adomenas told Newsweek. "More [deployments] would mean that the likelihood of any aggressive posturing would be considerably smaller."
"We have a sort of military imbalance here. So a greater NATO presence would definitely be a forceful argument to maintain peace in this part of the world," Adomenas said.
"One never knows when Putin might need to bolster his regime. The problem is that he tries to resolve his domestic political problems—waning popularity and economic difficulties—through some other interventions.
"One never knows when the next time might come in his calculation. So we should be prepared, and I think greater presence will be a greater guarantee."
Estonian Foreign Minister Eva-Maria Liimets told Newsweek: "We're very glad about this [NATO] cooperation and presence, and also of course we rely on NATO air policing. All these defense measures are working very well from our perspective.
"We have good contacts with the United States and especially with the new (Trump) administration. We were very glad to see that from the beginning they turned towards Europe to strengthen transatlantic cooperation. It is very much in our interest."

152 posted on 09/23/2022 8:04:46 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (Tanned, rested, and ready.)

I didn’t say Trump was working making NATO weaker, I said that he wasn’t looking to expand their reach. You can make it stronger without making it more of a threat to Russia. It’s one of Trump’s skills. The people in power did exactly the opposite.

153 posted on 09/23/2022 8:30:03 AM PDT by wiseprince (Me,)

Trump was making NATO much stronger and moving American forces closer to Russia, not to mention his huge strengthening of our nuke forces.

Trump reactivated V Corps and moved its European HQ to Poland, Poland is currently moving to 5% GDP towards its NATO military.

More Nuclear Reach, more and stronger NATO military, and better positioning to defend against Russia.

154 posted on 09/23/2022 10:09:35 AM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)

155 posted on 09/23/2022 10:39:27 AM PDT by wiseprince (Me,)

Yet what? We can’t read your mind.

156 posted on 09/23/2022 10:50:55 AM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)

People will not listen, the US has been infected with Biden’s Russian Derangement Syndrome….muck like Biden’s Trump Derangement Syndrome and Biden’s Covid hoax Syndrome.

157 posted on 09/23/2022 12:13:14 PM PDT by delta7

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