Posted on 09/19/2022 8:38:19 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
So funny. Code FBI. He never stops taunting his enemies.
Been a freeper 2 years longer than you. I’m no troll and I’m more than entitled to my opinions.
The Republicans either had to prevent the fraud to begin with or win by a margin so large it couldn't be stolen from them. The courts were on the Democrats' side, but Trump and the Republicans could have gotten more and more dedicated poll watchers. They could have replaced drop-boxes with a more secure system.
Trump might or might not have been able to win decisively, but he didn't to the things he would have had to do, like preparing for the debates. It would have been good if Trump admitted afterwards that he could have done more before the election. There wasn't much that could be done after the election, and nothing could have been done on the day the electoral votes were certified.
Between the half the voters who support the Democrats, the people who didn't vote, the people who thought Trump blew it himself and the people who just wanted the election to go away, you weren't going to get a majority for election re-dos.
“Been a freeper 2 years longer than you.”
Since you don’t know my first FR handle, you’re probably wrong. I did learn to make note of my password after that, though.
And since when did longevity on a website determine validity? That’s a bit cheap.
Well you know I’m kind of sick of the ad hominem attacks here on Free Republic. It’s like when you voice a different opinion from somebody else you get personally attacked. It’s a sign of low intelligence.
Compared to losing control of the senate, enacting every far left wing Biden crazy proposal, gun control, a trillion dollar inflation bill, it’s not even close.
You can live in the past if you want, meanwhile the rest of us want to stop the madness. Feel free to continue cutting off your nose to spite yourself.
So, because a private citizen “prayed”(and I’m pretty sure that’s metaphor. But whatever) That cost the Right to lose control of the Senate, caused Biden to get everything he wanted. Lost the gun control debate and cost the U.S a Trillion dollars.
I think you’re giving Mr. Lindell and his “Prayers” entirely too much credit.
I very greatly disagree. The Audit in Arizona Maricopa county alone showed over 70,000 fake ballots. The margin was 11,000. Similar margin in Georgia, though no audit so far, and likely never will be.
Very easy to prove. Some people are just demanding ridiculous levels of certainty, and this is wrong headed. Proving that you have greater than 70,000 bogus votes means the election is tainted by a margin wider than the margin of victory, and therefore it is a bad election and must be done over.
Barring confessions by those involved in the fraud, there was no way the supposed election results would be overturned.
Why should we be required to reach such a ridiculous standard? Fraudulent votes alone in numbers greater than the election margin should be quite sufficient to demand a new election.
The Republicans either had to prevent the fraud to begin with or win by a margin so large it couldn't be stolen from them.
When corrupt, senile, pervert can beat Barack Obama by 15 million votes, it is impossible for a non stealing candidate to win by a margin so large that it can't be stolen. They would just make more fake ballots and count them.
The courts were on the Democrats' side, but Trump and the Republicans could have gotten more and more dedicated poll watchers. They could have replaced drop-boxes with a more secure system.
Poll watchers would not have fixed this. They tossed them out in Detroit and in Atlanta, so what good would it do to get more poll watchers? Replace drop-boxes? With what? Unguarded "drop-boxes" should have been legally dead on arrival because there is no provable chain of custody.
Trump might or might not have been able to win decisively, but he didn't to the things he would have had to do, like preparing for the debates.
Debates had nothing to do with this. Trump got more votes than any other president in history. Trump did in fact win until the vote manufacturing started.
All I see in this entire mess are unreasonable people, agents of the other side, and cowards on our own side who will not fight when they should fight.
All I see in this entire mess are unreasonable people, agents of the other side, and cowards on our own side who will not fight when they should fight
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Amen.
Getting everyone in the GOP together to demand a do-over or a changed outcome wouldn't work because of the Democrats and the courts, and you weren't going to get everyone in the Republican party to come together to demand a do-over or a changed outcome, because some of them were glad to be rid of Trump. Politicians could see that the battle was lost, so many of them didn't stick their necks out. Cheers for those who did, but it wasn't a battle that could be won.
Trump did in fact win until the vote manufacturing started.
Don't be one of those people who says, "Trump was winning when I went to bed and losing when I woke up. They must have cheated." Republicans tended to vote in person. Democrats voted by mail and those votes took longer to count. Of course there was cheating. That's why some cities stopped counting for days, but that they got more votes after you went to sleep wasn't entirely because of cheating. That was likely to happen even without fraud.
You don't need to do that. If you have greater than 70,000 fake ballots in one county for a statewide election with a much smaller margin of victory, the election is toast. It's invalid. It's crap. You don't need any other information.
And they have the media on their side.
Which is the real crux of the problem. People are afraid of this power, and we long ago should have smashed that power.
...you weren't going to get everyone in the Republican party to come together to demand a do-over or a changed outcome, because some of them were glad to be rid of Trump.
I've said that myself many times. But do we believe in the rule of law or not? The rule of law should trump media, it should trump never-Trumper Republicans, and it should trump bullsh*t legal arguments.
The fraud was proven extensive enough to alter the election, and the state legislators should have de-certified, and demanded a new one.
But they are gutless and many were probably Trump haters.
Politicians could see that the battle was lost, so many of them didn't stick their necks out.
It's definitely lost if you give up without a fight. It's definitely lost when you agree with your enemy liars that everything was fine.
Democrats voted by mail and those votes took longer to count.
No. I believe the vast majority of that "mail in" voting is fraud. We've got evidence which shows it was fraud. The only real voting was in person, and some of that was even fraud.
...but that they got more votes after you went to sleep wasn't entirely because of cheating.
And what makes you think that? Did you not see the video of Ruby Freeman running that same stack of ballots through that machine over and over again? There is no innocent explanation for that. None.
Barack Obama was the greatest Democrat vote getter there ever was. The notion that idiot Joe was so popular that he could beat Barack Obama by 15 million votes is absurd.
It is ridiculous on the face of it.
"Replace the drop boxes" means not having drop boxes, _______. You attack people for not putting up a fight after the election was lost, but people weren't putting up a fight even before that and you just make excuses for them. You are tossed out and you just go? Republicans had better have a plan going into the election next time and the cojones to put it into effect, because they can't expect to get any do-overs afterwards. If you let yourself get rolled over for months do you seriously expect that the other party or the public will, out of the kindness of their hearts, make things easier for you ? Grow up.
You don't need to do that. If you have greater than 70,000 fake ballots in one county for a statewide election with a much smaller margin of victory, the election is toast.
We don't know that that number is accurate. What happens is the Democrats have excuses. They may not be valid excuses but the courts accept them. What also happens is that so many rumors fly that they get written off by people.
In this case the contention is that 70,000 mail-in votes were cast, but they weren't mailed to voters. The response is that early in-person votes were counted with the mail-in votes and that accounts for the discrepancy. I believe the Arizona election probably was stolen, but you aren't going to prove the 70,000 votes number, and nobody is probably going to know how many votes were stolen and how.
No. I believe the vast majority of that "mail in" voting is fraud. We've got evidence which shows it was fraud. The only real voting was in person, and some of that was even fraud.
You believe that. And there are indications that there was some fraud, but there certainly isn't evidence that the vast majority of mail-in voting was fraudulent.
Barack Obama was the greatest Democrat vote getter there ever was. The notion that idiot Joe was so popular that he could beat Barack Obama by 15 million votes is absurd.
Trump's poll numbers never really got above 50%, did they? It's likely that the election in a few key states was stolen, but also likely that Biden did get more popular votes. Biden's vote was about 15 million higher than Obama's 2012 vote, about 15 million higher than Clinton's 2016 vote and 12 million higher than Obama's 2008 total. Trump's 2020 vote was likewise about 11 million higher than his 2016 total. Biden wasn't running against Obama. Turnout all around was higher in 2020, and it's hard to say how much of that was fraud.
I admire your "man up" attitude and I agree with it to a great extent, but in Atlanta they told everyone to go home because of a busted water pipe. They said they were shutting down the counting process.
Should we immediately call election officials "liars", and insist on staying in what we had been led to believe would be a soon vacant building? They were gulled. They likely won't allow that to happen again, but it worked this time.
In this case the contention is that 70,000 mail-in votes were cast, but they weren't mailed to voters. The response is that early in-person votes were counted with the mail-in votes and that accounts for the discrepancy. I believe the Arizona election probably was stolen, but you aren't going to prove the 70,000 votes number, and nobody is probably going to know how many votes were stolen and how.
This is interesting. In your first paragraph you were saying "man up" and be confrontational, and in this one you seem to be saying, "oh well, better luck next time."
No, the election in Arizona was clearly stolen. Provably so. People denying the truth of this should simply be shouted down and talked over. This is one thing the left always do. Right or wrong, they scream bloody murder that they are always right, and to deny them power is a travesty of justice.
You believe that. And there are indications that there was some fraud, but there certainly isn't evidence that the vast majority of mail-in voting was fraudulent.
Other than the clearly ridiculous results it produced? Results that were incongruent with historical norms and reality?
Trump's poll numbers never really got above 50%, did they?
Don't you remember 2016? It wasn't that long ago. The "polls" were bullsh*t. The "polls" had Hillary winning by a massive landslide, but the reality was Trump winning decisively against her in everyplace except Blue state insane asylums.
It's likely that the election in a few key states was stolen, but also likely that Biden did get more popular votes.
So did Hillary, but Presidential elections are based on winning states, not popular votes. This is what psychotic idiot Hillary did not grasp. The popular vote is irrelevant, it is those battleground states that matter, and those are what they stole.
They stole them through fake ballots, fake mail in ballots, and vote counting fraud in major Democrat controlled cities in swing states. They learned the lesson of Hillary's defeat and concentrated their steal only where it was needed.
It has been pointed out by researchers that when the ballot totals for Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Joe the Pervert were compared with each other that in every other major city outside of swing states, Biden did not do better than Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton.
In major Democrat controlled cities of swing states, he did massively better than either Barack or Hillary.
Why would he not show a bump in New York or Los Angeles, if he had massive numbers of votes in Detroit or Philadelphia or Atlanta?
The places where he did massively better than Obama are *ONLY* the places he needed to win. Portland didn't matter, but Detroit did. Same with Philadelphia versus Boston.
More votes in Boston or Los Angeles wouldn't win the election for him. More votes in Detroit, Philadelphia, Atlanta or Phoenix, would.
And that is exactly the pattern we see.
Fraud. Obvious fraud.
Turnout all around was higher in 2020, and it's hard to say how much of that was fraud.
It is not at all hard to say. Any measure by which idiot creep pervert beats Chocolate Jesus Democrat superstar can only be explained by fraud.
“.....thinking that nothing could be worse than RINOs controlling the Senate”
This is a discussion that has to happen within the GOP at some point. I would not want to have to rely on a RINO, say, Romney, to stay in line. I’m less happy to have to rely on McConnell as a majority leader.
We are not fighting just the Democrats. We are fighting the deep state, and the RINOS when it comes to the political currents - so it’s not just about a majority, it’s a functional majority that is interested in preserving our country more than the graft they are able to steal from their positions in government.
Its tougher to tell who the “good guys” are these days.
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