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Arlington Confederate Memorial Should Be Removed and USS Chancellorsville Renamed, Panel Says
Military.com ^ | Sept. 14, 2022 | Travis Tritten

Posted on 09/14/2022 4:52:18 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo

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To: virgil
Why don’t they just kick the whole south out of the union? That’ll fix it.

"Oh, please, Br'er Fox, don' throw me in dat briar patch!"

61 posted on 09/14/2022 6:39:16 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Stand Fast, God knowss what He is doing! )
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To: Bonemaker

Yep...corrupt back then, corrupt now.


62 posted on 09/14/2022 6:39:52 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Liaison

The first KIA of the Civil War were Northern Militia Troops killed in the Pratt Street riots in Baltimore, by citizens, for invading Maryland from PA and MA.


63 posted on 09/14/2022 6:42:30 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Stand Fast, God knowss what He is doing! )
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To: 21twelve

Revisionist history is a tool of the Left to divide and destroy the country so they can use their Marxist ideology to rebuild it in their image. They are using the same tactics they employed to discredit our Founding Fathers.


64 posted on 09/14/2022 6:50:22 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Mr. Mojo

So much about this is wrong. The states that seceded did not do so violently. They did so peacefully and democratically.

Also they did not secede to keep people in bondage. Slavery was not threatened in the US.

Lest anybody think it was, the Congress passed by 2/3rds supermajority (after those states’ delegations had withdrawn) and the president signed, and multiple states ratified, and Lincoln endorsed in his all important first inaugural address a constitutional amendment which would have protected slavery effectively forever.

Most people have never heard of the Corwin Amendment - so biased and dishonest is the teaching of history in the government schools.


65 posted on 09/14/2022 7:02:04 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: Mr. Mojo

Ping


66 posted on 09/14/2022 7:33:36 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Mr. Mojo

It wasn’t a “Civil” war. It was a war between the states.
They South didn’t rebel. It seceded. Secession was not rebellion. When the Constitutional Convention accepted the Articles of Ratification from New York and Virginia, they accepted the clause in those articles whereby the states retained the right to seceed if they felt their rights were abridged. By accepting those clauses they were extended to all the states.

Nuff said Yankees.


67 posted on 09/14/2022 7:44:11 PM PDT by ZULU (HOOVER, FREEH, MUELLER, COMEY, WRAY, SUCCESSION OF STATISTS)
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To: colderwater

Still waiting for “New York” to be renamed


68 posted on 09/14/2022 7:54:35 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Giant meteor 2022!!!)
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To: Mr. Mojo

The Communist Purge Continues To Grow Exponentially & Nothing Is Being Done About It!

69 posted on 09/14/2022 7:57:24 PM PDT by SuperLuminal
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To: rlmorel

-———————————APRIL 1898-————————————

Young American soldiers crossing the country from their Western training grounds to their embarcation point on the Eastern Seaboard.

Open train cars run through many towns, large and small, the young soldiers look very fine in their KHAKI trousers and BLUE blouses.

People of all colors, ages, rich, poor, regardless of social station, turn out to cheer their young men who they know are heading to WAR.

In one small Southern town the people line the tracks to cheer and wish their soldiers well.

A young boy looks at his Grandpa and says “but their wearing BLUE Grandpa, THEY ARE YANKEES”.

Grandpa, wearing his old CONFEDERATE UNIFORM, looks down at his young grandson and says;

————————”NO, THEIR AMERICANS”-———————————

That was was the AMERICA I grew up in and both my brother and I fought a war for.

THATS THE AMERICA I WANT BACK.


70 posted on 09/14/2022 8:00:49 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Renaming USS Chancellorsville makes no sense at all. There were nearly equal numbers of KIA & WIA on both sides.

Changing the name is a slap in the face to all the valiant warriors who fought, struggled and perished there. What a terrific way to alienate relatives of those on both sides.

Little wonder our military is in such dismal shape when it comes to recruiting.


71 posted on 09/14/2022 8:06:02 PM PDT by GreyHoundSailor
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To: 5th MEB

I am with you 100%.

An appropriate post.


72 posted on 09/14/2022 8:16:33 PM PDT by rlmorel (Nolnah's Razor: Never attribute to incompetence that which is adequately explained by malice.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

This is going to help recruiting. /sarc


73 posted on 09/14/2022 8:18:42 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I had to look up the platt street riots (wiki quick look, sad I know) it was an interesting read on the tensions in the city and how the riot started. However, it happened April 19th and the FT Sumter attack was 12 April. I know a couple of deaths occurred on both sides in the Sumter battle so can it be said that the first invasion and especially death in the hot war happened in Maryland? I’m not too sure of the invasion claim as the state of Maryland never joined the confederacy even being a slave state with large sympathies for the cause. Invasion can have a wide interpretation of a personal nature/outlook so it can be looked at different ways and your view can be correct.
I may have been cheeky in my first response but Sumter still seems to be the “approved and agreed upon” (I did not make the call) start of the war. I will assume the tensions were so high other fights and deaths occurred before sumpter but did not make the headlines.


74 posted on 09/14/2022 8:29:30 PM PDT by Liaison (TANSTAAFL)
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To: ealgeone

Just rename the Washington Memorial to the Clinton Memorial.
Save Fedzilla some change.


75 posted on 09/14/2022 8:55:33 PM PDT by SPDSHDW (Buy JHP ammo, Level 3/4 armor and rifles. Won’t be able to for much longer, and we’re gonna need em)
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To: jeffersondem

As to your first question. I do know more about it but I have general knowledge of the start civil war. I spent quite a few days prepping and delivering talks on staff rides for specific battles and campaigns.I have not walk all the battle fields only a few, my favorite being Antietam.
If I do need more information I can look it up in my library as I have most of the army history series publications and have a good smattering of books on the war from private collections i have purchased books from.
Question 2. No as an answer causes of war are varied as the separation of political issues from direct action (Clausewitz) is too thin and murky to say what pushes groups or counties to order the first attack or uses an accident/incident to start a war (USS Maine in Cuba, the marines in the Central American protection missions (banana wars @ 1890-1930)) predicting the reasons can be unclear but a sustained attack like Sumter and the follow on battles with a solid declaration of intent will make it very clear a hot war is on.


76 posted on 09/14/2022 8:57:21 PM PDT by Liaison (TANSTAAFL)
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To: HighSierra5
"The Confederates were Americans.

Both before the war and after. They may have contributed more as citizens to the betterment of the country than the scum who strive to erase them.
77 posted on 09/14/2022 8:58:02 PM PDT by clearcarbon (Fraudulent elections have consequences.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Death of Stonewall Jackson at Chancellorsville Where General Lee lost his right arm was a pyrrhic victory.
Jackson sustained a severe wound to his upper left arm, necessitating amputation. Upon hearing the news, victorious General Robert E. Lee remarked, “He has lost his left arm, but I have lost my right.” Lee's words proved prophetic. Eight days after the amputation, Stonewall Jackson was dead.

78 posted on 09/14/2022 9:07:54 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
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To: Captain Jack Aubrey

That is why we call it “The War of Northern Aggression!”

The Northern States were strangling the Southern States economically. War almost broke out in the early 1830s and early 1850s. By 1865, the situation was dire, and the South had to try to secede in order to regain its economic independence.

I am an American by birth, and Southren by the Grace of God, but, FRankly, am not displeased that the South lost the War of Northern Aggression.

HST, DamYankee is still one word! North Eastern LIEberals have been screwing the USA up since well before 1865!

The War of Northern Aggression is still on-going, and I do not expect it to end well.

For North Eastern LIEberals!


79 posted on 09/14/2022 9:11:00 PM PDT by Taxman (SAVE AMERICA!)
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To: kabar
The federal government did not grant pensions to Confederate veterans or their dependents, however, southern state governments granted pensions to Confederate veterans and widows. Veterans filed for pensions in the state where they were living at the time, not the state from which they served.

My Confederate Great Grandfather has a grave marker from Veterans Affairs.

A special style is also available to mark the graves of Confederate war dead. These special styles are available in upright marble or granite. To request this special style select the appropriate box in block 11 for upright marble (U) or upright granite (V) and write the words "special style - confederate" in block 11.

Headstone with the Southern Cross of Honor The inscription on the special style for Civil War Confederate is also limited. The Southern Cross of Honor is automatically inscribed at the top. The name is arched, followed by abbreviated military organization and dates of birth and death. No additional items can be inscribed.

https://www.cem.va.gov/hmm/pre_WWI_era.asp

My GGF's brother who died during the war also has a Federal Government Veteran marker and as far as I can tell, so does every other CSA veteran in the Methodist Cemetery in our little ancestral town.

80 posted on 09/14/2022 9:36:32 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
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