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Why didn't Trump give the documents back when the National Archives first asked for them last year?
Hotair ^ | 8/25/2022 | AllahPundit

Posted on 08/25/2022 9:00:53 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Iron Munro
The NARA "assumed physical custody" on paper but according to published accounts Barack Obama actually had the documents in his possession.

What I've read is NARA had everything, reviewed it and then released a number of documents to Obama for the library. The documents still belong to the archives.

61 posted on 08/26/2022 6:35:34 AM PDT by semimojo
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To: MrRelevant

“The fact the FBI has leaked a bunch of still classified documents from Trumps collection is pretty telling imho.”

I have not as yet, seen a SINGLE leaked classified document from the Trump collection. First, if they leaked it what would be the point of the raid. Second, if he declassified it (and Trump has shown that he declassified Crossfire Hurricane), when he was POTUS he could take it. Third, why on earth did the Government agency pack up classified documents if they were marked classified? Trump and his people DID NOT pack the boxes. Finally, if the Government really needed those documents for running government, they were 100% digital for them.


62 posted on 08/26/2022 6:51:19 AM PDT by Pete Dovgan
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To: Pete Dovgan
... Finally, if the Government really needed those documents for running government, they were 100% digital for them.

Apparently, with certain stamps, that isn't the case, or else there is no genuine secrecy. No copying allowed inside a SKIF.

63 posted on 08/26/2022 7:02:38 AM PDT by gloryblaze
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To: TheCipher

Because he didn’t have to. He alone had the power to determine what are personal records and what are public, per the ruling of an Obama judge in the Clinton tape case.
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I think this is correct. But the classification of those documents is still an issue. We now know with some certainty that Trump declassified at least some of the documents in question. If there are documents that he refuses to give up and that remain classified I can see no reason why he would not be obligated to follow the normal rules for classified document storage.

For SECRET documents that means locked in a safe and periodically inventoried. For TOP SECRET/SCI documents you need a SCIF with a combination lock and 24/7 Security monitoring added to that requirement. Does Trump have a SCIF? I don’t know but I doubt it.

Personally I’m hoping we find that Trump declassified all the documents in question. You don’t go to jail for arguing with the National Archives. But you could for leaving TOP SECRET documents out on your kitchen table.


64 posted on 08/26/2022 7:07:23 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (Ted, you finally endorsed.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Because you dipstick Trump had all the evidence to sink the effing FBI swamp creatures the Bidens the Clintons Obama expect etc. etc.! What part don’t you understand you effing yeah, dirtbag!


65 posted on 08/26/2022 7:15:17 AM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: mfish13

In his residence?


66 posted on 08/26/2022 7:39:48 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: AnthonySoprano

You think?


67 posted on 08/26/2022 7:41:28 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: SeekAndFind

Key to understanding this mess is just what agency had their knickers in a wad…The National Archives. The Archives are just keeping historical records., but according to the media the Archives are holders of every secret and classified document and likely control Warehouse 13, the freezer full of dead aliens at Area 51, Epstein’s home movies and J Edgar Hoovers purse collection. If these documents contain the nuclear codes why would they be turned over to an agency of librarians and file clerks?


68 posted on 08/26/2022 7:42:05 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: Lower Deck

Quiet. You’re not staying on script.


69 posted on 08/26/2022 7:42:27 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: SeekAndFind
Since there was a dispute as to whether the federal government had a right to the documents, they should have gone to court, not a grand jury, and use that process to determine possession.

The FBI instead chose to use as much power as they had at their disposal because they didn't look at this as a genuine dispute, but a lack of compliance.

70 posted on 08/26/2022 7:51:04 AM PDT by Repealthe17thAmendment
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To: Repealthe17thAmendment

The FBI instead chose to use as much power as they had at their disposal because they didn’t look at this as a genuine dispute, but a lack of compliance.

um methinks fbi did this because they are bidens SS


71 posted on 08/26/2022 7:52:46 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: SeekAndFind

The only documents the National Archives want are the Russia papers with all the names to rewrite history and save the players.
They had the option to obtain the records when they told him to put a extra lock on the door to the files and left.

Fish odors lingers


72 posted on 08/26/2022 7:54:25 AM PDT by Vaduz ( )
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To: Pete Dovgan

Yeah I meant “hasn’t”


73 posted on 08/26/2022 7:57:04 AM PDT by MrRelevant
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To: gloryblaze

“Apparently, with certain stamps, that isn’t the case, or else there is no genuine secrecy. No copying allowed inside a SKIF.”

That was the piece of information I was missing!! You see, if digital copies of Crossfire Hurricane documents existed, Trump could just use them in his civil lawsuit. Further, when Wray is out (which is inevitable at this point) with his partisan people, it’s inevitable that Trump when back in office would seek full prosecution. The FBI, Obama/Biden/Rice, the DOJ, the DNC needed the evidence to disappear. That’s why Judicial Watch can’t get FOIA documents. That’s why they ignored the POTUS declassification. That’s why Joe Biden played along with eliminated ‘executive privileged’ to make sure obama/biden political crimes aren’t made public. They needed Trumps work product with his lawyers, and all the documents, so they won’t be criminally or civil court, liable. Trump took stuff they didn’t have copies of. It all makes sense now.


74 posted on 08/26/2022 8:08:25 AM PDT by Pete Dovgan
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To: MikelTackNailer
If Bammie's library ever gets built it will house more BS than Chicago's stockyards.

There was a recent FR article about Hussein's Chicago library forfeiting on its financing and no longer being compliant in it's purchase terms.

75 posted on 08/26/2022 8:21:54 AM PDT by RideForever (Oh damn! Another dangling par ...)
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To: SeekAndFind
Perhaps one reason would be that a former president has a specifically defined legal right to keep personal papers from his presidency. He also has a specifically defined legal right to prevent the next administration from obtaining papers from his administration for 5 years and for documents that he (or maybe in the future she) specifically identifies for 12 years.

In this case the current administration and the new acting head of the National Archives has taken the position that the Biden administration can get the former president's papers based on a loophole in the law. They claim that getting the documents from Trump is necessary because they are essential to the operation of the current administration.

Their basis for that claim has yet to be established.

As far as I know no previous administration has claimed that they need the former president's papers.

76 posted on 08/26/2022 8:28:40 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: SeekAndFind

And why has O’bama not returned the much-requested 30 million pages the Archives wants back?

Mebbe there is a legit reason for any Pres to hold on for a while? Doubt it.

Perhaps some of the DJTrump pages prove 2020 corruption. FBI coercion.


77 posted on 08/26/2022 8:30:06 AM PDT by bobbo666 (Baizuo)
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To: AndyTheBear
What was the DOJ supposed to do after 15 months of polite requests to get back “top secret/SCI” information that the former president wasn’t supposed to have and hadn’t properly secured?

The DOJ should have done nothing. The premise of the statement is false. The current administration is normally barred from accessing the former president's papers. Nothing prevents a former president from having top secret documents. Former presidents retain their security clearance.

As to the issue of secure storage. when the DOJ argued in court against disclosure of the search warrant affidavit one of the reasons they gave was that since the facility was under the control of the Secret Service, disclosing information about the search could provide information about its layout, security systems, etc.

How is it logical that a facility supposedly under the control of the Secret Service is not secure enough to store classified documents? The argument about insecure storage is ridiculous on its face. How many US government or private DOD contractor facilities with classified documents in them even have a Secret Service security team on site?

78 posted on 08/26/2022 8:37:24 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: InterceptPoint
For SECRET documents that means locked in a safe and periodically inventoried. For TOP SECRET/SCI documents you need a SCIF with a combination lock and 24/7 Security monitoring added to that requirement. Does Trump have a SCIF?

It is highly likely that Trump's home has every single one of those items. Remember, he still has the highest level of security clearance and the government maintains the ability to confer with former presidents after they leave office. His house is considered by the current administration to be a facility under the control of the Secret Service. They just argued that in federal court as a reason not to release the search warrant affidavit because it might leak information that would hinder their security plan for the facility.

Do you think the Secret Service team tasked with Mar a Lago that has to be able to support highly classified materials and discussions at any time doesn't have a SCIF and 24 hour security?

The arguments being made by the current administration are ridiculous now that they have argued in court that the house is a Secret Service controlled site.

79 posted on 08/26/2022 8:49:23 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: SeekAndFind

I thought Trump did send some of the documents back, those that were marked classified and that were in the boxes that the National Archives requested. Is that true? It should be in the article.


80 posted on 08/26/2022 9:09:53 AM PDT by x
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