Posted on 08/06/2022 6:45:11 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
Just because we don’t agree doesn’t mean my opinions are liberal.
Again, study the real history.........................
“ The Allies did give the Japanese more than one opportunity to surrender, before 6 August 1945. They ignored the offers”
That was without the tangible knowledge that we had such a weapon. Plus they had no idea how many we had. We could have told them 100 and they would have believed it.
We had a few more as I recall then with a relatively short period of time more would have arrived,
I have
We could not have gone back after Pearl Harbor. They started it all.
https://www.dancarlin.com/hardcore-history-series/
Then take the time to study the supernova in the east series here.
To use such a new and terrifying new weapon. No nukes have been used before or since so it gives our enemies a reason/excuse to claim we are barbarous, bloodthirsty etc.
To you and everyone else remember I’m not saying we never should have used nukes on cities. Just tried 1 in an alternative manner. Then switch to cities.
So she is blaming the US? LOLOL. It's *her* country that started it all.
What abuot the painful memories for the men the Japs killed in Pearl Harbor?
“If memory serves, he was a plumber.”
I used to do a lot of contract work at the Hanford Site in Washington state where the reactors were. My mom told me one of their friends worked there during the war.
“He made airplane wings.”
“Um - mom. No he didn’t, that is where they developed the uranium to make the atom bomb.”
“No - I distinctly remember he told us how he made airplane wings - because of the electricity from the Grand Coulee Dam.”
“I believe you that that is what he told you. In fact he might have even thought that was what he was making - but they didn’t make airplane wings there.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTkicdO_64w
Song by RUSH “Manhattan Project”
Whoever found it first
would be sure to do their worst
they always had before...
REF: My post 199
Oops.
I left out two important requirements of weaponization:
1. Safe separation of the weapon from the aircraft. Repeated inflight tests are conducted, under a variety of attack angles, pitch angles, airspeeds, and other conditions within the flight envelope.
2. Ability of the aircraft to escape effects of weapon detonation. Rarely a problem with “conventional” munitions launched from high altitudes, but a huge problem of great concern to aircrews when it came to the atomic bombs. Since it was not possible to conduct any live-drop tests before their employment in action, educated guesswork had to be applied, to work out the best airspeed, bank angle, turn rate, etc. Special protective gear was also issued to the crews.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QbUSjnhv6M
No one likes us
Don’t know why
We may not be perfect
But heaven knows we try
But all around
Even our old friends put us down
Let’s drop the Big One
And see what happens...
Well I’m not exactly in the company of only dummies on this. You know who else argued for a demonstration? (And I don’t even argue for a demonstration, I argued for a military target)
The scientists who made it, you agree they were a smart bunch?
“ And so they advocated for a demonstration of the atomic bomb’s power:
From this point of view a demonstration of the new weapon may best be made before the eyes of representatives of all the United Nations, on the desert or a barren island. The best possible atmosphere for the achievement of an international agreement could be achieved if America would be able to say to the world, “You see what [a] weapon we had but did not use. We are ready to renounce its use in the future and to join other nations in working out adequate supervision of the use of this nuclear weapon”…After such a demonstration the weapon could be used against Japan if a sanction of the United Nations (and of the public opinion at home) could be obtained, perhaps after a preliminary ultimatum to Japan to surrender or at least to evacuate a certain region as an alternative to the total destruction of this target.”
Also thank you for the suggested reading but I’m not sure if it’s necessary.
I own and have read (except the last which I need to):
DAY ONE
Before Hiroshima and After
By, Peter Wyden 1984
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Japan’s Longest Day
The last days of ww2 from the Japanese side
Pacific War Research Society, 1968
(spends some time on the nuclear use)
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The Pacific War
A critical perspective on Japans roles on ww2….(spends time of the subject)
By , Saburo Ienaga 1968
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HIROSHIMA, by John Hershey
Because my view differs from you first you try to slight me by falsely associating me with the left. Next you are implying I have ignorance.
How many books have YOU read on the subject or are you the only one allowed to make challenges?
You know what I’m gonna do?
I’m gonna get myself a 1967 Cadillac Eldorado convertible
Hot pink with whale skin hubcaps
And all leather cow interior
And big brown baby seal eyes for head lights (Yeah)
And I’m gonna drive in that baby at 115 miles per hour
Gettin’ one mile per gallon
Sucking down Quarter Pounder cheeseburgers from McDonald’s
In the old fashioned non-biodegradable styrofoam containers
And when I’m done sucking down those greaseball burgers
I’m gonna wipe my mouth with the American flag
And then I’m gonna toss the styrofoam containers right out the side
And there ain’t a g....... thing anybody can do about it
You know why? Because we’ve got the bomb, that’s why
Two words: nuclear f....... weapons, okay?
Russia, Germany, Romania, they can have all the democracy they want
They can have a big democracy cakewalk
Right through the middle of Tiananmen Square
And it won’t make a lick of difference
Because we’ve got the bombs, okay?
John Wayne’s not dead, he’s frozen
And as soon as we find a cure for cancer
We’re gonna thaw out the Duke, and he’s gonna be pretty pissed off
You know why?
Have you ever taken a cold shower?
Well, multiply that by fifteen million times
That’s how pissed off the Duke’s gonna be
I’m gonna get the Duke, and John Cassavetes
And Lee Marvin, and Sam Peckinpah, and a case of whiskey
And drive down to Texas
-Dennis Leary (A__hole)
Oh and yes I do have incomplete knowledge on the subject, I do have a degree of ignorance.
I don’t admit I’m unread on the subject.
We lived at Oak Ridge until I was at about 4. My brother was born there in 1946. I have very few memories and neither of my parents ever mentioned it. I remember a 4 or 5 room white house with bolders in the yard. That is it.
Out at the Hanford Site they had homes for the workers to live in. A guy told me that the government would go in and replace light bulbs and do checks on the homes in order to make sure everything was working properly, etc. But it was really so they could snoop around the house to make sure the worker wasn’t bringing plans or parts home that might fall into enemy hands.
Just FYI, my grandfather was in the 821st AEB (army airforce engineers) Battalion and I was very close to him. He was actually loaded and ready to go from Luzon P.I. to invade Japan when the bombs were dropped. So no I dont have this opinion because I don’t care for the lives of US servicemen like my Papaw.
It’s possible we could have forced surrender, still saved US lives and spared the population of 2 Japanese cities with a first strike on a military target.
Isn’t that worth a chance?
Nice history lesson.
When was it Oppenheimer quoted Hindu scripture to himself?
Do you think your thoughts are new thoughts and they didn’t consider them? Be thankful you didn’t have to make the tough decisions. Be thankful you weren’t there.
But understand the decision-making process. Understand there was no perfect decision like you think you have.
It is very possible your ideas cause more problems than they solve. You want to state your ideas, then explore them deeply. Don’t just state we did it wrong. You only want to see the “up side” to you better idea. Think through the obvious down sides.
We want simple answers to very complex problems. Why?
Again, listen to the Super Nova in the East and get back to me.
https://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-62-supernova-in-the-east-i/
Because my view differs from you first you try to slight me by falsely associating me with the left. Next you are implying I have ignorance.
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