The Man Most Responsible for Ending Roe Worries That It Could Hurt His Party

The New York Times ^ | June 24, 2022 | Maggie Haberman and Michael C. Bender

[neverevergiveup]

Carl Sagan wrote "The Demon Haunted World" before he died. In it he talked about what your comments address - that society was becoming 'all or none' in its approaches to issues, with no compromise or willingness to examine and discuss.

He actually addressed abortion, and said on one extreme you have those who think that contraception, or the morning after pill are equivalent to any later time of abortion. On the other extreme you have those for whom partial birth abortion is just fine, and for whom all abortions are OK.

I agree with your general sentiments, but right and wrong also exist. Not all people believe that there are absolutes in anything. I personally believe there are some absolutes. That said, sometimes you have to retreat, give up territory, and regroup. It depends on what is at stake.

Sagan may have been a liberal (I don't know one way or the other), but he definitely made some good points. This is from this book:

“I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time — when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness. The dumbing down of America is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30-second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance.”

[dfwgator]

Wow, Sagan nailed it to a T.

[Drew68]

Not a total ban. Something a majority of voters can live with.

The irony is a 15 week ban is in line with many of the "enlightened" European countries that the left idolizes.

A 15 week ban was also at the heart of the Dobbs case. Mississippi enacted a perfectly reasonable 15 week ban but the pro-abortion left, who want abortions to be available anywhere, anytime, and for any reason were angry and took the law to court.

And now Roe V. Wade is history.

We didn't do this. They brought this upon themselves.

[Drew68]

This is from this book:

Hard to believe that quote is almost 30 years old. Sagan died in 1996. He definitely nailed it.

[MinorityRepublican]

We didn't do this. They brought this upon themselves.

They gambled that Roberts was going to be able to persuade either ACB or Kavanaugh to uphold Roe vs Wade.

[MinorityRepublican]

Carl Sagan wrote "The Demon Haunted World" before he died. In it he talked about what your comments address - that society was becoming 'all or none' in its approaches to issues, with no compromise or willingness to examine and discuss.

It may always be like that. We just go through cycles. Look at the American Civil War. Or the Spanish Civil War.

Sometimes it's all about timing and the issues emerge and there you go. Fireworks.

[Hot Tabasco]

Mr. Trump has privately told friends and advisers the ruling will be “bad for Republicans.”

Unnamed sources and more lies from the NY Slimes....../

[Fairhairedboy]

[JoJo354]

I really really like President Trump but I think he listens too much to some of his family members and that gets him into trouble. If he runs again I will vote for him tho.