Zelenskiy: Hell in Ukraine's Donbas

Reuters via Yahoo ^ | May 20th, 2022 | Unattributed

[Socon-Econ]

The play by Russia is to get Ukraine to turn over it’s oil rich eastern territory to Russia or to a Pro-Russia independent state. In addition to the oil, it would give Russia almost total control of the Black sea.
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Why is this our concern? We have no stake in the Black Sea. And we could produce all the energy we need — if Biden and the other climate fearmongers would get out of the way.

[AndyJackson]

Why is this our concern?

It isn't if you read perhaps the best and most relevant book ever written about US Strategy, Military Strategy: A General Theory of Power Control by RADM J.C. Wylie. As a maritime power our interests is open SLOCs to our trading partners on the other sides of Oceans. Land warfare in Central Asia has nothing to do with our interests and is a strategic distraction at best with the potential for disastrous over-reach.

For instance Athens lost the Peloponnesian War, its empire and its existence as an independent state because, first it was ambitious and arrogant and angered and terrified Sparta sparking the war. It ended in disaster for Athens when they decided to engage in a most excellent adventure wiith its entire fleet to Syracuse to take control of it as a matter of imperial prestige even though their empire was as a sea power trading among the islands and coastal city states of the Aegean and today's sea of Marmara. They gambled all and lost all. They were probably doomed anyway with the eventual rise of Macedonia and then Rome. But the point is, they lost their fleet, ceased to be a sea-power and were destroyed by a land power as a consequence.

"Them or us strategies" are too late by definition and invite the undesirable alternative.

[McGruff]

“Zelenskiy says the Donbas region to the southeast has been completely destroyed “

Because Ukraine has been shelling it for the last eight years.

[Kazan]

The truth is the Russians have gone in soft because they want to preserve as much infrastructure as they freeing the ethnically Russian part of the country from eight years of war and persecution at the hands of neo-Nazi and Ukrainian nationalists.

The Russians could conduct a "shock and awe" bombing of any Ukrainian city like we have and roll right in and take it over if they wanted to.

[scottinoc]

There won’t be a battle for Odessa this year at least. Putin’s army is held at kherson.

You're a fool if you think that. This is an unwinnable war by the idiots currently assembled at Davos.

[Dogbert41]

"Poles can fly F-16s and probably F-35s."

And then Putin responds and takes out Poland, a NATO member.

[blackberry1]

Kiev use to be the capitol of the former Soviet Union.

Russian is spoken all over the country......

[Cathi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpX_XLbmjW0

Media nudges Biden away from Ukraine, as ‘Special Status’ trap set for Poland.

[jmacusa]

All Europe is good for is piling up bodies.

From the beginning of this whole thing I said both countries are two scorpions in a bottle and watched uninformed fools and idiots who couldn't have found Ukraine on a map as big as a barn door a year ago suddenly ''Standing with Ukraine''. What bulls**t.

[Fido969]

The Russian troops are pushing north from the southern occupied territories toward Zaporozhye. They are also talking about putting a military base on the south. Will they quit after taking the Donbas, or push toward Odessa?

[antceecee]

Yup!