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Interrogation, uncertainty for surrendering Mariupol troops
AP News ^ | May 18, 2022 | OLEKSANDR STASHEVSKYI and CIARAN McQUILLAN

Posted on 05/18/2022 7:53:21 AM PDT by Navy Patriot

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To: KOZ.

No, I really didn’t expect them to be so slow. But the stated goal is to wipe out nazi formations, protect the new republics of Donbass and Lugansk, and stop NATO in Ukraine. So with that in mind they haven’t attacked power and transportation infrastructure, the seats of government, etc.

But things have gone slower than I expected. Of course, they haven’t spent the last 20 years in an orgy of constant elective war like our peaceful government... so they aren’t nearly as experienced. Also they only spend about 10% on their military what we do.

Odd behavior for someone bent on world dominance. But quite in line with someone who really mostly wants to be left alone and have the ability to defend themselves.


61 posted on 05/18/2022 9:04:42 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: freeandfreezing

“How is it a “coup” when the duly elected Parliament votes overwhelmingly to remove their President?”

Bullcrap. The leader was chased out at gunpoint from the Right Sector mob that gave him a 10am deadline to leave or face armed assault. The next Parliament was literally under right sector gunpoint with right sector guys in the room. And we dumped 2 billion on that mob that Nuland funded and steered.

All that vote did was rubber stamp what the coup did.


62 posted on 05/18/2022 9:07:50 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: Prolixus
As I said above, I don’t support gifting Ukraine with cash and weapons. I’m fine with selling them weapons. Ukraine is very corrupt. Pretty much all of Eastern Europe is. But the way I see it, this is the one of the closest points we’ve come to where Russia and the West risk coming to blows. Russia needs to be contained at this point. I assumed Russia would steamroll Ukraine in 3 days. Now that it’s turned into a slog, I wonder if, had the Russians shellacked Ukraine, where would they look next?

There is indeed tremendous slander of Ukrainian soldiers. Look at this thread, many on FR automatically refer to Ukrainian troops as “Nazis”. There’s neonazi elements in Ukraine, eastern Ukraine, Russia, and all over Eastern Europe. Separatist and Russian soldiers have been shown using Nazi imagery and sporting nazi tattoos. Some are probably real Nazis, but “Nazi” isn’t the bogeyman word there that it is in the West, and many view it as more akin to “edgy”. I remember some US Marine Scout Snipers got in trouble for using an SS flag. I don’t suppose our US Marines are Nazis, they’re young guys thinking that the SS had a reputation for being scary and “badass” and the two S’s made it even more convenient to use. A mistake, for sure, but I don’t think the USMC was or is crawling with Nazis. I see people very transparently pointing to images of some Ukrainian troops with Nazi imagery (Slavic pagans also use some symbols), and think that’s a trump card….”ah ha, I win, they’re Nazis!!!!” While ignoring the same imagery used by some Russian troops…To say nothing of the fact that Russian equipment and tanks fly the hammer and sickle.

Both sides have murdered POWs. The Russians have murdered civilians as well. I don’t think it’s kind of appropriate to cheer whenever some 19 year old Russian conscript dies, but the Russian soldiers are in the unenviable position of being part of an aggressor nation’a military. War is a crime, as some say, and I’d be happy for all this to end. But at the end of the day, the Russians invaded, no the other way around.

63 posted on 05/18/2022 9:08:19 AM PDT by TheDandyMan
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To: Its All Over Except ...
Conservatives don’t align with McCain, Bush, Odumba, Biden, Soros, WEF, etc.

Another logical fallacy. Most sane people of all political orientations agree on many more things than they disagree on. You listed a bunch of people who many of us probably disagree with on just about every political issue. But I think every one of them would agree with most of us who would say shooting up a supermarket is an awful, evil thing to do.

As a matter of fact, even if George Soros, Joe Biden, and the entire staff of the View stood up and condemned shooting up supermarkets and killing innocent people, I would still retain my belief that shooting up supermarkets and killing innocent people is a terrible, evil, and wrong thing to do.

Just because a group of people don't have the same political views on many topics does not mean that everything they support is automatically something conservatives should oppose.

Everyone should oppose a country like Russia that is invading its neighbor.

64 posted on 05/18/2022 9:08:42 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Navy Patriot

Okay, you’re a follower who cottons on to notions that you can’t actually explain. Thanks for clarifying.


65 posted on 05/18/2022 9:09:36 AM PDT by TheDandyMan
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To: freeandfreezing
A great summary of the Russian propaganda talking points.

Its a great summary of facts. Even then - what give you and your neocon chums the right to turn Ukraine into a wasteland for your proxy war with Russia? What benefit does the average American derive from turning Ukraine into an American satrapy?

Please spare me the "we're defending an independent nation" BS. The DC thieves and warmongers had no problem overturning or invading plenty of independent nations over the last several decades.

66 posted on 05/18/2022 9:10:09 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: DesertRhino
wear the emblem of the 2nd SS..

You keep posting the same talking point. Are the US Marines nazis?


67 posted on 05/18/2022 9:13:34 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: TheDandyMan
I just won't bother to explain anything to YOU.
68 posted on 05/18/2022 9:13:40 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: KOZ.

Ya, those rapists and murderers sure are badass.

Oh well.


69 posted on 05/18/2022 9:16:11 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: TheDandyMan

I don’t support Russia, but I also don’t support Ukraine. It’s just Bosnia 2.0 at this point.


70 posted on 05/18/2022 9:17:14 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: DesertRhino
The leader was chased out at gunpoint...

The violence and shooting of protestors was the work of Yanukovych and his Russian allies. You are just spouting Russian propaganda. I hope you get paid for your work, since you can't really be dumb enough to believe what you are saying.

If your fantasy story was true than the Ukrainian military was unable to protect Yanukovych from some supposedly armed people threatening an "armed assault" but that same military has held off the Russian army for several months now.

Do you realize how dumb what you are saying is?

71 posted on 05/18/2022 9:19:13 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Bulwyf

Defending your country against an aggressor to the end is heroic.

Attacking people for doing so, is cowardly.


72 posted on 05/18/2022 9:27:19 AM PDT by KOZ. ( )
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To: DesertRhino

And we dumped 2 billion on that mob that Nuland funded and steered.

Nuland sows destruction everywhere she goes.


73 posted on 05/18/2022 9:27:48 AM PDT by Flick Lives (The CDC. Brought to you by Pfizer)
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To: Navy Patriot

The DPR didn’t fight these scum for eight years just to see them handed back to Ukraine...humane treatment means a speedy trial and then a quick execution.

Foreign fighters may escape hanging but likely face twenty years of hard labor.


74 posted on 05/18/2022 9:44:19 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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To: tlozo

Which nursery school does that “hero” sleep in at night?


75 posted on 05/18/2022 10:01:06 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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To: mac_truck
Yes, there is a difference between Putin's comments and "Other Politicians" comments.

Putin will respect DPR's Right to Prosecute and Punish Criminals.

I link to Western Media sources to disarm Russophobe Propagandists constant whine of "Russian propaganda" for any non US Mainstream Media source.

76 posted on 05/18/2022 10:06:07 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: KOZ.

I don’t defend damn Nazis. I know all about it. There’s no innocence there.

If you’re trying to refer to me as cowardly. I’m already tested and proven multiple times. So I really don’t give a damn what you think. You’re mind is weak, and easily influenced anyways based on your comment. Good day.


77 posted on 05/18/2022 11:07:11 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: KOZ.

At least the country where the president is a TV producer can make videos of fake victories.


78 posted on 05/18/2022 11:15:56 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

the tv producer is kicking putins ass.


79 posted on 05/18/2022 11:23:33 AM PDT by KOZ. ( )
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To: KOZ.

In your dreams:)


80 posted on 05/18/2022 11:30:54 AM PDT by NorseViking
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