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Zelensky Suspends Democracy-Goes Full-Blown Nationalist Over Victor Medvechuk
CD Media ^ | April 14, 2022 | George Eliason

Posted on 05/15/2022 12:22:20 PM PDT by SoConPubbie

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To: SoConPubbie

“And you are a liar. You post the most suspect and despicable Propaganda”

No, that is a false statement. Do your research before you embrace bias source with an agenda.
I’ll help you fact check Mission Statement: https://creativedestructionmedia.com/

You can apologize later


61 posted on 05/15/2022 2:50:10 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com (et, so me )
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To: SoConPubbie
You post the most suspect and despicable Propaganda

Speaking of suspect and despicable propaganda, that's an excellent description of this article you posted, by a "journalist" employed by the Russians-George Eliason.

62 posted on 05/15/2022 2:56:42 PM PDT by tlozo (Trump-the Russian invasion of Ukraine is " truly a crime against humanity")
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To: MercyFlush

Your Zelensky knee pads wearing out?


63 posted on 05/15/2022 3:09:32 PM PDT by goorala (Never accept an idle offer)
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To: jimwatx

I do not believe we have always been thus, but in about the last century, and certainly after WWII, we have become the great Babylon. It is heartbreakingly sad to see imperialistically corrupt we have become.

Except on Memorial Day and Veterans Day, I cannot get myself to fly the flag in front of my home and admit that.


64 posted on 05/15/2022 3:19:21 PM PDT by Obadiah ("America is facing a winter of severe illness and death." Biden's own summary of his America.)
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To: SoConPubbie; UMCRevMom@aol.com
UMC: "Creative Destruction Media AKA CD Media News is an Anti-American questionable source" SCP: "And you are a liar." The articles on https://creativedestructionmedia.com/sections/news/ speak for themselves. First, I'm instantly cautious of anyone who loses their minds over the mention of Stepan Bandera because unless you're a Soviet fanboi no one gives a s**t about Bandera who was killed by the KGB in 1959. Second, too many predictions of gloom and doom on this site...almost as if they're trying to target the soft minds of the loony wing of the charismatic Christian movement. That stuff might play well with the crowd who breathlessly await the latest 'prophecy' from some clown on You Tube but it's not serious news. Yes, the Daily Mail is a tabloid. But just like the Enquirer they have a nagging habit of occasionally doing a good job and I am certain that CDMedia does the same albeit with a pro-Russian and anti-American agenda writ large. Also, it's quite revealing that they admit having John Mills on staff when that guy's raison d'être at the end of his career was psychological operations (propaganda).
from Imgflip Meme Generator

65 posted on 05/15/2022 3:25:43 PM PDT by MercyFlush (The Soviet Empire is right now doing a dead cat bounce.)
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To: MercyFlush

It is important to research article source. I felt it was an importance fact to share. But, he didn’t appreciate candor & responded in attack mode! Oh well.

I consider myself an American patriot. If cut I would probably bleed red, white & blue! :)

Creative Destruction Media AKA CD Media News is an Anti-American questionable news source. This was not my opinion, I sent him their Mission Statement!

MISSION STATEMENT FOR
CREATIVE DESTRUCTION MEDIA AKA CD MEDIA NEWS

“The mission at Creative Destruction Media is to be the catalyst for the “process of industrial mutation that incessantly revolutionizes the economic structure from within, incessantly destroying the old one, incessantly creating a new one.”


66 posted on 05/15/2022 3:44:52 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com (et, so p)
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To: MercyFlush; Gen.Blather; ought-six
“Lincoln arrested and deported his opponent.”

Stephen Douglas died of natural causes in 1861 and his personal relationship with Lincoln was warm and cordial to the very end. Douglas may have been a Democrat but he was also an ardent supporter of the Union, he opposed secession, and would have never been arrested for sedition let alone deported to the CSA.

Anti-war Democrat Representative Clement Vallandigham of Ohio was the one expelled beyond Confederate lines in 1863 for giving an anti-war speech.

67 posted on 05/15/2022 3:58:58 PM PDT by woodpusher
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To: woodpusher

“Anti-war Democrat Representative Clement Vallandigham of Ohio was the one expelled beyond Confederate lines in 1863 for giving an anti-war speech.”

I’m sure many others were as well. Stephen Douglas, however, was not.


68 posted on 05/15/2022 4:14:45 PM PDT by MercyFlush (The Soviet Empire is right now doing a dead cat bounce.)
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To: SoConPubbie

The Daily Mail posts true information on US matters, such as on the Hunter Biden laptop back in 2020. when it was forbidden on US media. And likewise re the Trump “Russia” hoax and etc and etc. And this goes for most cites of the DM over the years, during which it was consistently a favorite source on FR.

Until this February, when all of a sudden the DM is somehow unworthy. You cannot say “true” to tons of that coverage going back two decades, and then “false” just for the stuff you object to. It makes no sense.

I suspect hysteria or insanity on your part.


69 posted on 05/15/2022 4:17:17 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Freepers will not be able to handle this revelation of their hero. 😏

I see the little ankle-biters are doing their predictable screeching of “Putinist!” and “Putin Puffer!” (what does that even mean?) at anybody who dares to criticize the object of their worship.

70 posted on 05/15/2022 4:20:25 PM PDT by Allegra
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To: Obadiah

Yeah I shouldn’t have said we were always like that, after WW2 and more specifically the last couple of decades is when we really started going down that road. I foolishly kept thinking that as the last war would end people would see how much was spent for what would seem like little or no advantage, and we would ease up on these various interventions, but that certainly hasn’t been the case. If anything it has just gotten worse. I know a few people who travel extensively and when people inquire where they’re from they pretend to be Canadians just to avoid any possible negativity lol.


71 posted on 05/15/2022 5:15:11 PM PDT by jimwatx
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To: MercyFlush; Gen.Blather
“Anti-war Democrat Representative Clement Vallandigham of Ohio was the one expelled beyond Confederate lines in 1863 for giving an anti-war speech.”

I’m sure many others were as well. Stephen Douglas, however, was not.

It was a singular case. Clement Vallandigham was the opponent of Lincoln's war who was expelled behind Confederate lines in 1863 pursuant to a military commission convened by General Burnside. There was not, and never has been, any provision in law to expel any citizen behind enemy lines, or anywhere else.

In Ex parte Vallandigham, 68 U.S. 243 (1863), the U.S. Supreme Court held it lacked jurisdiction to hear an appeal from the military commission.

72 posted on 05/15/2022 7:38:50 PM PDT by woodpusher
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To: SoConPubbie
Ukraine: The children's camp that became an execution ground

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61442387

73 posted on 05/15/2022 8:12:07 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: jimwatx

Read the Ukrainian constitution. When doing a feal either with NATO or with the EU or with Russia, the President must have a mandate in the Parliament.

There was an overwhelming cross party mandate for the EU Free Trade Association agreement... That Yanokovych tore up at Putin’s request.

There was mixed support for NATO membership, mainly from people who have known Putin has had his eyes on Novorussiya since the 1990s.

There was minority support for a Russian deal in principle, but Yanokovych didn’t bother to consult their Parliament before signing possibly the worst deal in history for Ukraine.

That deal handed Russia the means to seize Ukraine economically and blocked Ukraine from being a stronger link in trade between Europe and Russia.

The result of his actions included a complete breakdown of Budapest, annexation of Crimea rubber-stamped from Russia by both Putin and Yanukovych, a brutal civil war, and targeting of pro-Putin Russians living in Ukraine.

A destroyed country and a huge bumber if dead Ukrainians is ultimately the consequence of actions taken in Moscow, by Russia and by Yanokovych personally.

Pinning the blame for any of that on a guy who didn’t even enter politics for another five years is pure, desperate revisionism.

Yanokovych is absolutely the biggest bad guy in this. And i hear that from Rusdians from Ukraine who’re now refugees in Europe.

One told me the fate of Nicolae Ceaușescu was too soft. They don’t want to be in NATO, they do want better relations with Rusdia, but they also want to be in the EU Free Trade Area.

Yanukovych, on Putin’s ordered, destroyed all three of their hopes.

How the hell is that “playing both sides”?


74 posted on 05/15/2022 11:18:28 PM PDT by MalPearce
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To: jimwatx

“Yanukovych might have been a corrupt politician like all the rest of them over there, but at least he thought he was doing what was in the best interests of Ukraine.”

Oh, that’s priceless! You could say the exact same thing about just about every major traitor in every history book, that sold out to the enemy big time.

They always think they’re doing it a favor. That Benedict Arnold, great bunch of lads, but his heart was in the right place. Judas Iscariot... Poor guy needed the money. Yanukovych is in good company.

Despite Yanukovych being likely to win an earlier election, Russia still poisoned one of his rivals just to make sure, and he imprisoned another on trumped up charges. That was years before Euromaidan.

Putin’s always wanted him to be the President. And Yanukovych has always been subservient to Putin. Yanukovych is Ukraine’s answer to Belarus’ Lukashenko... Another grubby, grasping, thieving Putin hand puppet who could easily have played the middle man between Europe and Russia but instead sold out to Russia... and took a huge kickback while opening gates for the Russian occupying forces.

Granted, until Russia had Crimea handed to it on a plate by Yanukovych, most pro-Russian Ukrainians had no idea just how deep in Putin’s pocket their president was until he literally handed it over without a debate. If he’d been allowed to stand in the 2014 election I doubt even Donbass would’ve voted for him.

A similar story is unfolding in Kherson. Russia’s preferred city administrator got 2% of the vote in 2020. By some accounts he’s planning to flee to Crimea because not only does the Ukrainian population want to see him dangling from a lamp post, the Russian citizenry wouldn’t mind that either.


75 posted on 05/16/2022 12:09:19 AM PDT by MalPearce
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To: MalPearce; Greetings_Puny_Humans

Some of you see to have it in your head that I’m a Putin fanboy or something. Nothing could be further from the truth. I’m too much of a libertarian to ever put up with that authoritarian crap, and don’t like Putin or have any desire to live in Russia. I just consider myself a realist, and accept how things operate over there and their nasty evil politics. It’s not like I can do anything about it, that’s up to the Russian people to take care of. My issue is the US unnecessarily sticking our nose in another mess, how did things turn out in Iraq or Afghanistan? Both had leaders who were even worse than Putin and our interventions did absolutely nothing to improve the situation in either place. And both came at huge cost, trillions of dollars, all down the hole for nothing.

These countries exist in a rough neighborhood and have to deal with things accordingly. I’m not interested in us rescuing anybody, or pretend we are gaining some geopolitical advantage, because it never works out that way. If you want to play hero and go rescue them then take you ass over there and do it, and leave the rest of us out of it. We have enough issues right here at home we need to deal with, we don’t need to complicate things by getting involved in every sh!thole in the world.


76 posted on 05/16/2022 5:57:26 AM PDT by jimwatx
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To: jimwatx

+1000. You are one of the few who truly understands what is going on. It is a difficult situation.


77 posted on 05/16/2022 7:51:58 AM PDT by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: jimwatx

There’s something of a difference between Iraq and Ukraine.

Gulf War 1 was entirely justified. A rogue state invaded another, in complete violation of international law, conventions, treaties and UN membership expectations. So a multilateral response was merited, and the aim of the game was to put Saddam back in his box.

Ukraine is comparable to that.

Gulf War 2 by contrast was a misuse of the NATO invocation following 9/11, just as was Turkey’s attempt to draw NATO into its personal beefs. It’s misuses like that, that empowered Putin. Not legitimate action in accordance with the UN Charter like we took in the 90s.

Irrespective of any belief in a Deep State takeover, regime corruption, presence of nazis or islamists,the world cannot afford to have any sovereign state invading any other sovereign state on the flimsiest of whims and justifications. If it has a compelling argument for “peacekeeping” or “special military operations” in another country it should be capable of securing multilateral support first.

Question is, why would any superpower voluntarily submit to that higher authority. Russia clearly doesn’t care what the rest of the world thinks. China often doesn’t. The USA often doesn’t. The UN Security Council veto makes it impossible to sanction the most egregious abusers of UN founding principles,if they have an ally at the table.

You’re completely right. If America really has had a gut full of the thankless job of acting as the World Police, maybe it should leave the UN Security Council and leave NATO, declare itself neutral, and join the international club of hermit states.


78 posted on 05/16/2022 9:41:16 AM PDT by MalPearce
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To: buwaya

Follow the money


79 posted on 05/16/2022 10:47:39 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (As a 23-year-participant, over 17,000 threads and even more posts, and FR $$contributor: STAYING)
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