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Small Quadcopters Rule The Battlefield In Ukraine — Which Makes Their Chinese Manufacturers Very Unhappy
Forbes ^ | Apr 29, 2022,07:59am EDT | David Hambling

Posted on 04/29/2022 10:47:16 PM PDT by Zhang Fei

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To: Zhang Fei

The hardware and software (think ai) is well advanced of what I am basically describing here -

In average daily activity, a person’s cell phone is constantly “triangulating” and communicating with nearby static tower repeaters for location and communication.

Now flip this concept of static land based repeaters perfectly upsidedown.

Imagine the exact same could be done “non-statically” (non-stationary), through multiple dynamic (moving) repeaters (drones/UAV’s), with no static/stationary tower repeaters, as the multiple moving drone/uav repeater array can perform the same task, and even more accurately.

Additionally, imagine this “dynamic repeater array” and *without gps, through the use of highly accurate digital feature libraries, this dynamic array could bring artillery AND loitering artillery targeting to within 3-5 centimeters, from twenty miles away (or significantly further).

Now, *redundantly, imagine this multiple dynamic “repeater” (drone) array could still *ping a dozen satellites simultaneously, in addition to tapping highly accurate digital feature libraries.

Now imagine this same dynamic drone repeater array, drawing from redundant high def geo-location libraries and dozens of satellites is made up of drones/UAV’s which are either carrying ordinance, or are kamikaze drones, or can communicate highly accurate target location with distant missile and artillery targeting, including with a moving missile.

What we are talking about here is advanced to the description above.


The uav/drone doesn’t just allow for observation, it provides a near infinitely greater accuracy to non-LoS (line of site), over the horizon, and various range precision targeting systems.

At this time in warfare history, this is where we are at currently, and the drone/uav is capable of much more than described.

This is truly (relatively inexpensive) game changer stuff.


As well, none of this “drone tech” negates the rapid and highly advancing remote, “non-dynamic array” (non-drone) weapons targeting constantly under way.

“Aim small, miss small.” l


41 posted on 04/30/2022 4:30:37 AM PDT by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!) )
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To: DownInFlames

Right On!

Funny but actually true.


42 posted on 04/30/2022 4:34:56 AM PDT by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!) )
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To: Zhang Fei

bkmk


43 posted on 04/30/2022 4:34:58 AM PDT by sauropod ("We put all our politicians in prison as soon as they are elected. Don’t you?" Why? "It saves time.”)
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To: Zhang Fei

Quite a few, by the hundreds at least, have been donated by citizens from other countries...cheap and quickly shipped. Seem a likely reason for the exceptional accuracy of Ukraine’s artillery making direct hits on Rus armor.

There’s a video of such hits on an armored column firing right to left.


44 posted on 04/30/2022 4:44:51 AM PDT by Covenantor (We are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and fools who can not govern. " Chesterton)
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To: patriotfury

Very well laid out! Thank you.


45 posted on 04/30/2022 5:06:40 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: Cronos

New tagline...


46 posted on 04/30/2022 5:16:42 AM PDT by null and void (Russia no longer looks like the #2 military power in the world. Maybe #2 military power in Ukraine)
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To: markomalley; Lazamataz

Laz! We didn’t know you had a mall.

Thailand?

Seems appropriate...


47 posted on 04/30/2022 5:18:18 AM PDT by null and void (Russia no longer looks like the #2 military power in the world. Maybe #2 military power in Ukraine)
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To: tlozo; AFPhys; AD from SpringBay; ADemocratNoMore; aimhigh; AnalogReigns; archy; ArrogantBustard; ..
Soviet era anti-tank grenades with added fins... 3-D printed fins unless I'm much mistaken.

3-D Printer Ping!

48 posted on 04/30/2022 5:22:57 AM PDT by null and void (Russia no longer looks like the #2 military power in the world. Maybe #2 military power in Ukraine)
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To: Wonder Warthog
And the “add-on” fins on the anti-tank grenades are 3D printed from cheap plastic.

As you say.

49 posted on 04/30/2022 5:28:24 AM PDT by null and void (Russia no longer looks like the #2 military power in the world. Maybe #2 military power in Ukraine)
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To: Enterprise

China: “We did not anticipate this possibility. How many more would you like to order?”


50 posted on 04/30/2022 5:40:40 AM PDT by throwthebumsout
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To: Zhang Fei

Inneresting!


51 posted on 04/30/2022 6:16:15 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Zhang Fei
My drone is DJI Mavic Air 2.

Here are some of the capabilities of this drone. It can fly as high as 14000 feet. It can take 8k videos (normal, time-lapse & slow motion), 44mp pictures and 360 degree panoramas. It uses GPS for navigation...when the battery level gets low, it returns to its takeoff location. When it loses connection to its controller, it returns to its takeoff location. It has 6 cameras for collision avoidance (forward, back, and down).

Here's a direct link to a couple of my videos:

Drone Videos

52 posted on 04/30/2022 6:32:33 AM PDT by FtrPilot
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To: Theophilus
encryption does not about evading detection and location.

There are simple techniques to make it very difficult or impossible to detect the location of the controlling base station. Drone location is easy, but when there are enough of them and they are cheap enough no existing anti-drone system is sufficient.

53 posted on 04/30/2022 6:58:00 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Zhang Fei

This article is so biased and slanted.
Authour would have you believe the Russians have not deployed their own drones.


54 posted on 04/30/2022 7:52:04 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: throwthebumsout

Maybe China will license the manufacture of their drones through another nation for plausible deniability, and flood Ukraine with their drones. Or maybe they will just continue to manufacture them with a “stern warning” on the box that they are to be used for entertainment purposes only.


55 posted on 04/30/2022 8:17:16 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: FtrPilot

I looked at yer drone videos, Nice!


56 posted on 04/30/2022 8:37:32 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Enterprise

TBH, I don’t think China needs nor seriously cares about plausible deniability. Russia is in no position to piss them off.


57 posted on 04/30/2022 9:08:40 AM PDT by throwthebumsout
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To: Steven Tyler

You are inferring “slant” that isn’t there. This piece is about consumer level quadcopter drones and it does mention Russian forces using them, including their Airborne forces. Russia has also been using their own small drones and loitering munitions (kamikaze drones), but from all the pictures coming out, they are much lower quality construction than the Chinese made quadcopters. Of course, Russia doesn’t want people thinking a “great power” would use “cheap toys from China”.

A lot of military experts are asking “where are Russia’s drones”? They have shown drones at airshows similar to the Turkish Bayraktar and even our Predators, but they are nowhere to be seen in the Ukraine war. They likely are afraid to lose them to MANPADS


58 posted on 04/30/2022 12:30:12 PM PDT by ETCM
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To: Zhang Fei

“100,000 howitzer shells in a month. It will likely need at least that many per month”

The new ($33B) budget request from the Biden Admin contains $20 Billion for Military aid over the next 5 months (through the end of the fiscal year) - a billion per week, for Military gear.

Cost to the US Army for a M795 (HE) projectile only (no propellant, no fuze, etc.; but with lifting plug and supplementary charge included) was about US$330 in 2019.

Let’s call it $500 as delivered - that would run about $50 million per month for 100,000 of the basic rounds. We have millions of such rounds in inventory.

An Excalibur precision (GPS guided) round, that can hit an SUV from 40 miles away, runs about $60,000 per round. Let’s call it $100,000 per round, if they have to rush some production. They will probably want some of those in the mix for counter-battery and high priority deep targets, like a General on the phone.

The General Dynamics 155mm SMArt round, which does not need GPS, but is capable of detecting and destroying armored vehicles on its own (”fire and forget”), probably runs over $100,000 per round, but it has a very high probability of kill per round. Pop it into a grid square (a square kilometer), and it takes care of the rest. That would really be useful against the mechanized Russian units, which tend to be heavily wedded to their vehicles. The European 155mm BONUS round (from BAE or Bofors) performs the same function.

The Europeans could share the cost of providing those precision munitions, and likely will (as they are with the howitzers and other rounds). A thousand per month of the anti-armor rounds would cost about $100-200 million, but would seriously step up the attrition of Russian vehicles.

Like, seriously. Let’s send them 2-3,000 per month. It won’t take many months at that rate.

The Ukrainians likely have an initial operating capability for the new 155mm artillery already, that will probably grow rapidly over the month of May, to 100-200 tubes firing.

To Russian Forces - Put new guy in tank, and stand well outside of the expected blasting radius.


59 posted on 04/30/2022 12:44:35 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: FLT-bird; Theophilus

“Gotta find a way to harden them against jamming and giving away the controller’s location...”

Frequency hopping.


60 posted on 04/30/2022 3:23:00 PM PDT by BeauBo
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