More Howitzers, Artillery Rounds, UAVs Headed to Ukraine

Department of Defense ^ | April 21, 2022 | C. Todd Lopez

[datricker]

Okay darth. Glad to know we have such sanctimonious crybaby Putin/russian apolgists watching our collective backside. You remind me of richard hannsen

[Bruce Campbells Chin]

It will take quite some time before the Ukrainians can employ them effectively. Learning how to operate the gun itself is the easy part.

The problems is that every artillery system has its own unique ballistic characteristics, so firing data is unique for each system. Computers take care of some of that, but that means you'd have to train Ukrainian artillery people on how to operate our artillery targeting computers and software. They could compute it all manually without computers, but the manual stuff is all in English and also would have to be learned. So this isn't going to be a lot of help in the short term.

[Chainmail]

I may have mentioned this to you before - but we killed a Chinese advisor in Vietnam about 20 miles southwest of Danang. He was riding in a sampan and our sniper shot him through the neck at about 300m and his body fell in the river.

We fished him out and the lieutenant got his silver ring - this guy was big, about 6 feet tall - and his ring slipped easily over my thumb!

So they had advisors working with them against us.

[Kevmo]

and have the proof.
***then produce it. Enjoy the fruits of being an open expert on FR.

[Dr. Franklin]

When a country that has expanded its territory for 1000 years (Russia) and is, by itself, 69% of the territory of NATO, combined, and 4x the territory of the EU says it feels threatened, you know it’s lying.

Unfortunately, in most of the U.S., students are only taught the history of Western Europe. Anything about the formation of the states East of Germany isn't taught. Throughout its history, Russia struggled with being backward relative to its Western neighbors. It's expansion to the Baltic, at the expense of Sweden after the Great Northern War, was considered a great accomplishment of Peter the Great's. (He's the guy who had his own son tortured and killed on paranoid suspicion of treason BTW.) Russia's old capitol of St. Petersburg (founded in 1703) is a newer city than the U.S.'s old capitol, Philadelphia (founded in (1682).

After signing "A Treaty of Eternal Peace" with Poland, under Peter the Great, Russia commenced bribing the Lords of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth to weaken it, and then took Belarus and Western Ukraine from it in the partitions of Poland between 1772-1795. So in the 1000 year history of Russia, neither Ukraine, Belarus, or the "Novorossiya" region now at issue with Putin's recent annexation of Crimea and the present invasion of Ukraine, were long part of the Russian Empire. (Kalliningrad has been even less.) In short, Putin has been most aggressive attempting to regain control of regions that Russia claims by revanchism with weak historical justification. Remember the former U.S. Zbigniew Brzezinski stated that without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be an empire.

The problem with Russia is not that it has been imposed upon, but that it imposes on others. Part of the Russian mythos, dating back almost a thousand years, and given firm foundation by its vast territorial expanse acquired at swordpoint, is its indomitable martial prowess. In 1898, the Russian General Staff carried out a comprehensive study of Russian warfare since the foundations of the state. In the summary volume, the editor told his readers that they could take pride in their country’s military record and face the future with confidence — between 1700 and 1870, Russia had spent 106 years fighting 38 military campaigns, of which 36 had been “offensive”.

WWII has been improperly taught in the U.S. as being about the harshness of the "Treaty of Versailles", (which was more properly the "Treaty of Peace with Germany", which was one of many treaties of the Versailles Peace Conference). In reality, WWII was caused by Germany and the Soviet Union's desire to conquer its neighbors. The British and French had abandoned their alliances with Poland and Czechoslovakia, emboldening Hitler to consume his neighbors. These two colonial powers never wanted to recreate the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, which meant the the Second Polish Republic was left too small to defend itself alone from the more industrially developed Germans and certainly not against Germany, Austria, the Free City of Danzig, Slovakia, and the Soviet Union which all attacked Poland in concert in September 1939. Lenin had offered all of Belarus, and all of Ukraine West of the Dnieper to Poland at Riga in 1921, but that was declined under pressure from the British and French. Had that not happened WWII probably wouldn't have occurred as it did, but that is just so much speculation. That issue recurs at present as Putin had offered to split Ukraine with Poland when Tusk was PM, and Putin has again claimed Eastern Urkaine now.

[Dr. Franklin]

former U.S. Zbigniew Brzezinski stated that without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be an empire.

* former U.S. National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski stated that without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be an empire.

[Paul R.]

the manual stuff is all in English and also would have to be learned accurately translated.

Which if we had competent people at the helm would have been done in January at the latest. (We knew the invasion was coming, says Blinken.)

Manual operation is slow, though. Good way to get yourself killed, in 2022. Get those 19 year old Ukes on simulators yesterday.

[rmlew]

why are we sending weapons to a despotic child-smuggling and money laundering country used by the deep state where hunter biden even sat on the board of the national gas co. , where we ALREADY sent weapons last week and the Pentagon claims to have “lost” them?
It's always amusing when ersatz conservatives spread CCCP and Soviet lies. For the record, Hunter Biden worked for Burisma, which is owned by a pro-Russian oligarch, who was a minister in t in the pro-Russian administration, which lost power in 2014.
As for despotic child-smugling corrupt regime, you are confusing Moscow and Kiev.

[Zhang Fei]

[I may have mentioned this to you before - but we killed a Chinese advisor in Vietnam about 20 miles southwest of Danang. He was riding in a sampan and our sniper shot him through the neck at about 300m and his body fell in the river.

We fished him out and the lieutenant got his silver ring - this guy was big, about 6 feet tall - and his ring slipped easily over my thumb!

So they had advisors working with them against us.]

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Good shooting. This is what gets me with all the bellyaching from ostensible right-wingers about merely supplying the Ukies with outdated Russian equipment and our table scraps. Meanwhile, the Russians and the Chinese were sending some of their guys to tangle with ours in Korea and Vietnam. That’s on top of providing their state-of-the-art equipment to kill Americans in both locales. And as of now, between Afghanistan and Ukraine, the Russian to US kill ratio by being the armorer for third countries is still 3 to 1, given that we lost 100,000 in Korea and Vietnam vs Russia’s 33,000, if you take Ukraine’s most optimistic numbers (20,000) and the Soviet Union’s (likely lowballed) Afghan War friendly dead numbers (13,000) at face value.

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[Zhang Fei]

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Indeed. This could end up being Russia’s Vietnam.