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'How the hell did you allow the Moskva to be sunk?': TV anchor dubbed 'Putin's voice' rages at Russian navy over flagship's loss as Kremlin still refuses to say how many sailors died
Daily Mail ^ | 4/18/2022 | Will Stewart

Posted on 04/18/2022 7:49:34 AM PDT by marcusmaximus

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To: Avalon Memories

There appears to be a large hole punched in the side at the waterline, about mid superstructure. There is a slight glow from inside and some smoke coming out of the hole. The hole looks to be right where the ships hull number was painted in older photos of the ship.


61 posted on 04/18/2022 1:36:19 PM PDT by ETCM
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To: redgolum

“The problem is, and I understand it, that armor can’t be made thick enough.”

When Winston Churchill was First Lord of the Admiralty shortly before WW I he described a battle between armored battleships of the time as like a fight between two egg shells armed with sledge hammers.


62 posted on 04/18/2022 1:42:53 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: one guy in new jersey

Russian navy ships don’t use antiskid on decks. They have used various shades of red paint over the years.


63 posted on 04/18/2022 2:21:14 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: steve86

Tradition I guess.

They say it was originally done to make blood on the deck less obvious to members of the crew. Who knows. 😐


64 posted on 04/18/2022 3:42:58 PM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: Afterguard

“I don’t recall how many ships there were of this class...”

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The keels were laid for four.

Three were completed, launched, and placed into service.

The fourth was never completed. The Ukrainians owned the uncompleted vessel as of 2010 or so. Don’t know if it was scrapped thereafter or what.

I saw #2, the Marshal Ustinov, in port in Virginia in 1989. Awesome, very dangerous looking in person. Conventional propulsion so no concerns now about a sunken nuclear reactor on the Moskva.


65 posted on 04/18/2022 3:55:43 PM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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It appears that the ship wasn't in tip top shape. Was that one of their best?

Nope. Their "best" is the DIESEL-powered carrier Admiral Kuznetzov -- their SOLE aircraft carrier (U.S. has 11, even China has 2 active with a 3rd coming on line in a year).

It has caugfht fire -- twice - resulting in 2 fatalities.

Russia’s only aircraft carrier catches fire; 1 dead and 2 missing

66 posted on 04/18/2022 4:17:20 PM PDT by montag813
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To: marcusmaximus

I’m wondering if the anchor is on vacation to a Siberian resort. 🤓


67 posted on 04/18/2022 8:23:41 PM PDT by Deplorable American1776 (I'm the ones trying to save American Democracy...Donald Trump 6/21 at the NCGOP convention! )
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To: marcusmaximus

Fun little rumor to share is that Russia is supposedly looking to recommission the Sverdlov-class cruiser ‘Mikhail Kutuzov’.

I know next to nothing about this ship or what kind of shape it is in. Google shows it as a museum ship but I can’t find any mention of whether it was well maintained or if the guns were put out of action.


68 posted on 04/20/2022 4:25:14 PM PDT by MercyFlush (The Soviet Empire is right now doing a dead cat bounce.)
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I heard that international salvage law says that Moskva belongs to Ukraine now, since it was in Ukraine’s territorial waters when she was sunk.


69 posted on 04/20/2022 6:20:20 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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“I heard that international salvage law says that Moskva belongs to Ukraine now, since it was in Ukraine’s territorial waters when she was sunk.”

In general I expect the Ukrainians to respect the Moskva as a war grave. That’s the decent thing to do here.


70 posted on 04/21/2022 8:30:43 AM PDT by MercyFlush (The Soviet Empire is right now doing a dead cat bounce.)
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