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Russia to ‘fundamentally cut back’ military activity around Kyiv in step towards peace deal
The Scotsman ^ | March 29th, 2022 | Jane Bradley

Posted on 03/29/2022 7:36:08 AM PDT by shadowlands1960

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Russian war machine never breaks...

...unless used.


141 posted on 03/30/2022 11:54:19 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Defeating China is impossible without understanding that Russia is our enemy)
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Putin’s strategy has always been about capturing the southeastern petroleum reserves. The northwestern fighting is about capturing territory which is politically important to Ukraine, territory which Putin can trade for southeastern oil reserves. This is all according to plan.


142 posted on 03/31/2022 7:24:41 AM PDT by nagant
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To: Williams

I despise both.


143 posted on 03/31/2022 11:20:38 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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Putin’s strategy has always been about capturing the southeastern petroleum reserves. The northwestern fighting is about capturing territory which is politically important to Ukraine, territory which Putin can trade for southeastern oil reserves. This is all according to plan.

Just to clarify here....

So it was Putin's plan to try, but fail, to take politically important Ukrainian territory in the northwest? That seems like a really bad plan. Because I think it is really unlikely that the Ukrainians are going to trade for "politically important" territory that they still hold, and never lost.

Putin wanted to control Kyiv. He wanted the early air assault on the airport to scare the Ukrainian leadership into abandoning Kyiv, whereupon he'd install a pro-Russian puppet. But the air assault failed, the Ukrainians didn't collapse, and anyone who knows anything about military matters knows the Russians lack the forces to take Kyiv at this point. Kyiv has seven times the population of Mariupol, which still hasn't fallen and has been bleeding the Russians for weeks.

Trying to spin a defeat as part of the plan is not a good look.

144 posted on 04/01/2022 6:46:20 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin ( .</I><p>)
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I think you are correct. Putin's initial plan was to have his invasion destabilize Ukraine, put a puppet in charge of Kyiv, and then have said puppet cede everything easy of the Dnieper to Moscow. But the Ukrainians foiled that.

I agree that his fallback is going to be Crimea and Donbass, but defined broadly enough to include a land bridge between the two. That's why he so badly wants Mariupol. But I can't see Ukraine surrendering the entire Black Sea coast east of Crimea in a peace deal.

My guess is that if there is a deal, Ukraine gets Mariupol, a d Russia doesn't get that land bridge.

145 posted on 04/01/2022 10:51:48 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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Those forces are being redeployed to help kill off the 60,000 ukronazis in the area of Donbass...


146 posted on 04/03/2022 3:01:31 AM PDT by ganeemead
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Correct

Russia never intended to take control of the capitol, they just wanted to root out all the US graft and cut Kiev off from the Black Sea.

It will be a bloody mess if Zelenskyy doesn’t get to the table soon.


147 posted on 04/04/2022 5:26:20 AM PDT by blackberry1
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Kiev was a head fake. They never marshalled enough forces there to make it an option.

It’s obvious the game plane was to roll all the way to Odessa.


148 posted on 04/04/2022 5:56:21 AM PDT by blackberry1
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