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President plans to unveil new 20% 'minimum tax' on 700 super-rich Americans that would levy ALL forms of income for families worth more than $100M
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Posted on 03/26/2022 3:44:18 PM PDT by algore

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To: algore

If you were to tax unrealized income we would have a huge depression that would hurt everyone. Firstly, lets point out that we all have homes. And those homes go up in value all the time. Taxing that as income would kill many people. Others own family businesses. If that was taxable income then family businesses would be a thing of the past. You would have to sell parts of it every year. And who would buy it? Stock prices would crash. If the richest have to sell every year to pay taxes, the price of stocks would be pennies on the dollar of their current value. And everyone would feel the crash, not just the rich.

As it is Steve Jobs died and Apple crashed for 3 years as his wife sold shares. Bill Gates took much of his money out of Microsoft and the stock fell for 5 years. Since the divorce, Amazon stock has basically tread water for 2 1/5 years. Think of what would happen if these events hit every company every year.


21 posted on 03/26/2022 4:15:06 PM PDT by poinq
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To: algore

What a moron. What does he want to do with the money? Between him and Congress, they have to be the most irresponsible, imbecilic, unaccountable cohort (with a few individual exceptions like Rand Paul) when it comes to finances on the face of the earth. Thirty trillion in debt? Joe and the vast majority of Congressmen and Congresswomen do not even know that the quantity of zeroes after the number 30 is meaningful.

It would be better to pass a flat tax of, say 10%, with no deductions except to charities. And everyone pays.


22 posted on 03/26/2022 4:18:26 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: algore

well, the “war” didn’t work, in fact, it made Dementia Joe’s polls go DOWN, so what’s remaining in the Democrat’s armamentarium? oh yeah, tax the begeesus out of the gazillionairs ... that always used to be popular with the plebeians ... though somehow i don’t think that will matter too much if actual shortages of food & fuel materialize ...


23 posted on 03/26/2022 4:18:55 PM PDT by catnipman (In a post-covid world, ALL "science" is now political science: stolen elections have consequences)
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To: algore
Another reason they want inflation. First to depreciate the debt and second to force automatic tax increases.
24 posted on 03/26/2022 4:19:06 PM PDT by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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To: algore
Success must be punished.
Personal responsibility must be punished.
Personal accountability must be punished.
Victims of crime must be punished.
Doing the right thing must be punished.
25 posted on 03/26/2022 4:20:20 PM PDT by thegagline (Sic semper tyrannis )
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To: algore

They will not pay a dime.

We are in real trouble in this country.


26 posted on 03/26/2022 4:21:58 PM PDT by sauropod (Whom the gods would destroy they first make mad.)
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To: algore

This is a huge step in the wrong direction. More proof that liberalism is a mental disorder.

The question asked when the Income tax was first adopted is just as pertinent in this instance...who says how much is thr right amount? Who controls the rate?

The FairTax is a much better way to fund government, ALWAYS.


27 posted on 03/26/2022 4:24:33 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. The Dhimmicraps are ALL Traitors. All of them.)
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To: algore
"for families worth more than $100M

So now we have to give an accounting of our family wealth?

28 posted on 03/26/2022 4:28:21 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (The pandemic we suffer from is not COVID. It is Marxist Democrat Leftism.)
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To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw
"Very easy for the super wealthy to show zero income. Corporations “loan” money to their officers all the time. Stock options are not income until they’re sold.

I believe you're seriously misinformed on this.

Large amounts of income are nearly impossible to legally disguise. Most "super wealthy" are continuously under audit.

Loans have to be repaid. It takes income to repay them and the non-deductible interest they are charged.

Stock options are not sold, they're bought (at the price the stock was when they were issued). When they are sold the value increase is always reported as income. If they are held long enough before they are sold, the income may be taxed as long-term capital gains.

29 posted on 03/26/2022 4:28:31 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Capitalism is what happens when you leave people alone.)
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To: algore

Why doesn’t it say president OBIDEN? Just president.


30 posted on 03/26/2022 4:29:02 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules
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To: algore

Or any congress critter ?
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They routinely write themselves exempted into all these bills iirc.

Example.

Insider trading.
Mandatory Obama care.


31 posted on 03/26/2022 4:30:00 PM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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To: norwaypinesavage

Large amounts of income are nearly impossible to legally disguise
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But easy peasy for IRS to ignore
if
your’e. ‘ political reliable ‘.


32 posted on 03/26/2022 4:32:07 PM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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“My house is worth three times more than I paid for it 15 years ago. This is an unrealized income”

That is already happening, it is called property taxes.
States also tax personal property and employer supplied “goodies”.

The fix is easy repeal the 16th Amendment and get rid of all Federal income taxes. the Federal Government ran just fine on excise and import tariffs. Let the states do all the taxing and figure it out, for their citizens.


33 posted on 03/26/2022 4:34:20 PM PDT by rellic
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To: algore

If this passes, the games on regulating valuation of assets will be epic.


34 posted on 03/26/2022 4:34:29 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: algore

Good- the majority of the super rich voted for Biden and hated President Trump, so F them!!


35 posted on 03/26/2022 4:35:11 PM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: algore

The prez will soon learn that the super rich do not consider themselves to be American.

from my home page

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I proposed a Shallow Exponent Flat Tax.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/4006199/posts
Something like Tax = 10% X {[Income]^1.05}
but with the flat tax coefficient more like 2.4 and the exponent more like 1.13......

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36 posted on 03/26/2022 4:36:21 PM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: norwaypinesavage

I’m not seriously misinformed. Apple and others similarly situated created a new profit model. Instead of paying dividends which are taxed, they simply reinvest in the company and increase the value of the stock. Typically CEOs and other corporate officers hold large amounts of shares. This essentially creates a profit model not unlike a 401(k) plan. Profits accrue without taxation until they are sold. This allows for a huge increase to accumulate over a multi year period. Dinosaur corporations can’t do this because their shareholders are typically needing constant income from dividends just to survive. Please tell me where I’m wrong here


37 posted on 03/26/2022 4:38:37 PM PDT by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Strange that a man with his wealth would have to resort to prostitution.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

“If this passes, the games on regulating valuation of assets will be epic.”

a few years ago I would have said that is crazy clown world stuff, not a chance.

Today I hesitantly say the same thing


38 posted on 03/26/2022 4:40:04 PM PDT by algore
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To: algore
Define "income"?

Most Americans think of income as a paycheck. Typically, the wealth of the super wealthy is not in "income" but in their stock holdings and property. E.g., Warren Buffett's annual salary has been $100,000 for the past 40 years. However, Buffett owns about $100 billion of Berkshire stock.

39 posted on 03/26/2022 4:41:57 PM PDT by JesusIsLord
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To: Kevmo

I propose that we eliminate 90% of the federal government and return power to the states and the people… By force if necessary.

Hosea- My people are slaves because they are ignorant. Read the constitution. Stop allowing the establishment to set the narrative.


40 posted on 03/26/2022 4:42:47 PM PDT by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Strange that a man with his wealth would have to resort to prostitution.)
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