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Putin says Russia will switch gas sales to roubles for 'unfriendly' countries
Reuters via Yahoo ^ | March 23, 2022 | by Kirsten Donovan and Alison Williams

Posted on 03/23/2022 7:47:44 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

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To: srmanuel

No country has the Reserve Status of the US Dollar which doesn’t allow them to be so negligent with their currency


Do you not see things are changing? In fact they have already changed.

It is human nature to manage the past.


61 posted on 03/23/2022 9:06:40 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

If you read my posts you’ll see I’ve consistently said the US could lose its reserve status, for well over 100 years I don’t know of countries that trade via barter, it may happen in the future but it’s highly unlikely IMO


62 posted on 03/23/2022 9:12:13 AM PDT by srmanuel (`)
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To: NorseViking

“The overconfidence is astounding.”

By McFaul?


63 posted on 03/23/2022 9:14:00 AM PDT by Mariner (War criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

Of course. A brilliant move by Putin. I was thinking about it since day one.


64 posted on 03/23/2022 9:14:51 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

He can up the pressure by demanding payment in rubles for all commodities.

Russia is the world’s #1 exporter of wheat.


65 posted on 03/23/2022 9:18:03 AM PDT by Mariner (War criminal #18)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

However it creates a problem for Biden how is going to exchange his 10% Roubles in dollars?.


66 posted on 03/23/2022 9:18:18 AM PDT by Vaduz ( )
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To: Mariner

The Saudis already want yuans for oil.


67 posted on 03/23/2022 9:20:06 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: mvonfr
I'm actually shocked -- Putin waited so long for this obvious move!

Possibly Putin was honoring existing futures contracts, and even extending (on new contracts) historically lower pricing to Eastern European Nations on good terms or neutral to Russia.

Nations signing on to Biden's GloboHomo "Sanctions" would violate payment terms of those contracts.

68 posted on 03/23/2022 9:21:44 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: srmanuel

it may happen in the future but it’s highly unlikely IMO


Place your bets. We are in new territory for our lifetime. What does history teach us? (bad grammer I know)

Bartering grows in uncertain times. I am not saying it is one or the other.

Again, my major point is bartering is a relationship. Whether it is us as individuals or countries. Putin is going for relationships.

We are going to need people, not money in the bank in the coming difficult times.

Investing in people is not without risk...............


69 posted on 03/23/2022 9:22:00 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Navy Patriot

No, I don’t think it is about “honoring” — he is on a firm legal ground, international law is already dead.

As a guess (and I’m not an economist!): he was waiting for the excess amounts of dollars and euros in Russia to be removed from the circulation... measures for this were taken immediately. The effect was stabilization of ruble (which is traded only inside Russia!) — now it is 95 to USD, up from 150.

https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=RUB

watch this chart.


BTW, the Austrians (OMV) announced that does not matter what Putin says they are going to continue paying in euros... we’ll see...


70 posted on 03/23/2022 9:40:47 AM PDT by mvonfr
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To: PeterPrinciple

Barter between individuals yes, I could see that happening, barter between Nations I don’t ever expect to see that.

We would be exchanging gold before that would happen.

Think about it, how many different items the USA imports every day, it would nearly be impossible to negotiate barter agreement to cover everything on an ongoing basis.

You keep talking about relationships, the problem is the people change on a regular basis making barter between nations impractical if not impossible.


71 posted on 03/23/2022 9:47:06 AM PDT by srmanuel (`)
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To: mvonfr

This is a short term stunt that will blow up in their faces longer term. They just cut themselves off from a large amount of US dollars and Euros. The yuan is pegged to the dollar. Others countries want dollars and euros, not their 3rd world bleephole currency.


72 posted on 03/23/2022 9:49:05 AM PDT by BiglyCommentary
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To: BiglyCommentary
It's daily range has been 3-4X that for weeks.

Good point...ruble is up 8% today in actual trading.


73 posted on 03/23/2022 9:49:08 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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To: srmanuel

You keep talking about relationships, the problem is the people change on a regular basis making barter between nations impractical if not impossible.


What do you think Putin is trying to do here? He is trying to reduce the need for global money by trading.

Bartering is maybe not the best word but it speaks well.

And yes, countries do have relationships. short and long term and constantly changing.


74 posted on 03/23/2022 9:53:53 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: BiglyCommentary

They will do just fine, you will see.

They will be smoking cigars watching Europe disintegrating. And then the rest of the West.


75 posted on 03/23/2022 9:55:11 AM PDT by mvonfr
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To: PeterPrinciple

Countries do have relationships, but they trade in currency.

Putin has options to trade, like I said earlier, they have China and the other BRICS countries and establish another from of trade without the SWIFT system.


76 posted on 03/23/2022 10:04:27 AM PDT by srmanuel (`)
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To: mvonfr

Yup, I do believe all these sanctions are going to just awesome for Russia. Why? Because of the screeching hussy fit Putin threw, threatening to nuke everyone, when we first threatened to place them. /sarc


77 posted on 03/23/2022 10:05:50 AM PDT by BiglyCommentary
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To: srmanuel

but they trade in currency.


until they don’t. There many situations in history of currency collapsing.


78 posted on 03/23/2022 10:13:55 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

I realize that, but there are no situations where countries bartered for at least 100 years. Venezuela today doesn’t barter even though their currency is worthless, they might barter with 1-2 countries like Russia and China because they want military access. Think of Cuba, they have currency that no one wants and they trade with virtually no one.

Even Germany in the 1920s and 30s traded in currency even when inflation was causing people to carry wheelbarrows of money to buy food.

Bartering works between people not countries.


79 posted on 03/23/2022 10:20:45 AM PDT by srmanuel (`)
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To: BiglyCommentary

You misunderstood.

No fit, not the first time he warned Biden that this may lead to US being taken off the map, and he means this too.

The important thing is that Biden understands this.

And the demo of the new weaponry systems in the Ukraine was meant for Biden. Judging by his words, some of it did get through.


80 posted on 03/23/2022 12:35:32 PM PDT by mvonfr
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