Posted on 02/27/2022 2:46:25 PM PST by ChicagoConservative27
Honest question.
Have you ever seen a group of crazy people crank themselves up? One gets going, and the other does, next thing you know all are screaming and throwing things.
This is what is going on.
I've got 480 rolls and enough food to put them to good use.
That would be ideal, staying out; but Biden made us rely on Russian oil, and for years NATO has been making promises to the Ukraine. Both sides were played, and now instead of drilling our own oil and minding our own business, the Biden admin (because there is NO way he’s running the day-to-day, which I think should be totally unconstitutional) gave Putin all of the money he needs to wage war on territory Putin belives should belong to Russia.
He wants to go back to the days of the USSR, and the man is crazy like a fox. He’s intelligent, and that’s bad to mix with power-mad and borderline insane.
I suggest you tell Vlad directly that he is a squirrel.
But Ukraine DID NOT goad Russia into attacking. Biden (Biden’s handlers) did!
They wanted Biden to look like the strong tough on Russia man he patently is not!
Biden called his bluff, invaded anyway. Is trying to get what he wants.
Biden’s handlers -who can’t decide anything without a scorecard, a teleprompter and polling data - cannot react.
Incomplete / somewhat superficial analysis.
Proper analysis is that this started in earnest back when ordinary Ukrainians began to realize they had a better future with the West / EU than they would remaining a Russian puppet state. All they had to do was observe their various neighbors’ track records.
THAT was the core of it. All else followed. With some help from other factors going back decades or more, including the East / West conflict.
Problem is, that aspiration was and is violently anathema to Putin. Such cancer in the so closely intertwined Ukraine would eventually work it’s way into Russia, eventually creating a “Maidan” there. The details would likely be different, but, the influence of the West can be VERY corrosive over time.
As for some here on FR, it is not the Ukrainian people who can see the path to a better future who are gullible idiots. It is the pro Putinistas. Putin may temporarily subjugate Ukraine, but he himself has now sown the likely end of the Russian Empire as it more or less has existed for hundreds of years.
What nonsense.
If Putin was so concerned about ethnic Russians in Donbass, er, Dumbass, etc., then he should have invited those people to immigrate to Russia, with very generous benefits to those coming. If their lot was so bad, they'd have come. It'd have been a hell of a lot cheaper, nobody dies, and it would assist with Russia's depopulation problem.
The truth is that Putin not only wants to restore the Russian Empire (by his own words, if you've been listening?), he can't abide Ukraine going into the EU, which would show the very closely entwined Russian people that curbing the system of oligarchs and corruption would be a good idea for Russia, too.
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He wants to go back to the days of the USSR, and the man is crazy like a fox. He’s intelligent, and that’s bad to mix with power-mad and borderline insane.
Well, partially correct, although to clarify "us" would be "the West", and Biden to date has had only a small hand in that. MAINLY the energy issue of reliance on Putin is in Europe: Gas, enough to keep Germans from freezing, at any price*, is the most immediate / critical problem.
*With luck, energy price increases here will force a big coming Pubbie win in November, and vulnerable Dems will join with Pubbies to ram through legislation to force opening up our production, rather than be politically obliterated. Somehow we gotta get someone highly articulate like DeSantis as a national voice on this.
Also... The "promise" to Ukraine was made by the US, UK, and Russia, not NATO: In exchange for giving up their nukes, those 3 countries would provide protection (also with a clause to not attack Ukraine themselves, clearly in there to ease Ukrainian nervousness about Russia in the then future. France and China gave somewhat weaker assurances. All else has been pretty conditional; essentially, on good behavior (mainly tamp down some of that corruption) the EU (not NATO) would likely grant acceptance, which was and is desired by most Ukrainians not in the easternmost part of Ukraine. NATO really only came up after Russia continually interfered in Ukraine*. Most Ukrainians even @ the time of Maidan were dubious of NATO membership, and obviously a number of EU countries were getting along just fine without being part of NATO.
*The Putinistas and isolationists here on FR conveniently leave out most of the story, such as even the pro-Russian parties in Ukraine agreeing that Yanukovitch was a complete Putin repressive stooge and had to get the boot. Not to mention that his election was far less legit than Biden's, which is saying something.
Anyway, I digress (heheh): In 1994 Russia was on fairly good terms with Ukraine. At that time, Ukraine, possessing the 3rd largest stockpile of nukes in the world, along with Belarus and Kazakhstan gave up said nukes. It SEEMED like a great idea, with everybody in a sort of "kumbaya" moment and not strongly enough considering history.
Indeed, given the instability of those 3 countries and the region in general, it's damn hard to say that security guarantee (essential to getting rid of those nukes) was a bad idea or can easily just go by the wayside because it is not a treaty. That is madness, given the likely ramifications of: 1) Those countries retaining those nukes, or, 2) The US and UK in particular not holding up their end of the deal. (Russia can never be trusted for long anyway, as we are now reminded, so their unreliability should be expected.) Those ramifications seem to be beyond the comprehension of the isolationists.
For the Putin apologists and trolls I am increasingly getting to the point where for them I have only disgust.
Yes, I can multi-task and have disgust for our leftists too, whose idiocy has put us in a very difficult situation, led by the most incompetent fools and hacks imaginable, Biden on top. Even the Germans are acting more sensibly now than is our own administration!
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