Joy Behar: I Might Wear a Mask in Crowds ‘Indefinitely’

I double dog dare the skank.

And isn’t it coincidental that you chose to omit my citation indicated by the asterisk which you included?

The exact URL was irrelevant to my dissection / debunking of your argument. The source of your claims is immaterial. And I don't propagate links I don't trust.

I can’t swear that the 20% case rate is correct, but I can say that the citation owners, who stuck their necks out, say that 20% is correct.

Their figure is most certainly wrong. The number of significant figures it contains makes it laughable.

And if it is correct then the American COVID death rate is somewhere in the neighborhood of 1.29%.

Patently ridiculous to derive an estimate with three significant figures from a ballpark number like "one-fifth" disguised as "20.00%."

I dispute the figure of "900,000 deaths" (which is undoubtedly clouded by the whole "died WITH covid" or "died FROM covid" issue.) Half a million would be far more realistic. Not 20.00% of the U.S. population has contracted COVID - more like double that (but they were asymptomatic and so didn't even notice); and the rest were exposed but were able to "deal with it" without even meeting the clinical definition of "case."

When, in Nov. of 2020, I came down with COVID, and was coughing all over the place in our quarantined household, my wife and son remained by my side. My wife and I shared the same bed. We were all UNMASKED. For TWO WEEKS. But my wife and son were not registered as "cases."

Regards,

Ha!!

Lol yes, plastic bag. And a rubber band.

Okay, you related a family non-death story to try and show that the COVID death statics are too high. Now I’ll relate my family death story to show that the COVID death statics are too low.

We had a dearly loved elderly relative in a medically backward part of the country, the kind you are advocating. One of her caregivers came to work during COVID hacking and sneezing, but never said a word. Within a week our relative completely lost her hearing, and her mucous went hard. She became terribly muddled and paranoid ….all COVID symptoms in SOME elderly people. She was never tested for COVID, and died 6 weeks after exposure.

This relative had 2 underlying conditions which the death certificate cited. However, the death certificate cited a “third unknown” cause of death. You tell me what it was.

We loved our relative. She would have been fine If the people around her had not exposed her. Failing that, she might have survived if they had provided her with care which included COVID testing.

The vast majority of COVID deaths happen among old people. My experience says that “died with COVID” does in fact mean “died of COVID”. Further, my experience says that COVID is under-reported, not over-reported.

Okay, you related a family non-death story to try and show that the COVID death statics are too high.

In fact, I think that my story proves conclusively that one can be an "active COVID" case and even have - ahem - intimate relations with one's spouse and yet NOT transmit the disease (since my wife tested negative, while I tested positive and had obvious symptoms).

(Of course, in considering such stories, we are forced to stipulate that the tests are accurate, the people involved are not lying, etc. - But I'm happy to stipulate that!)

We had a dearly loved elderly relative in a medically backward part of the country, the kind you are advocating. One of her caregivers came to work during COVID hacking and sneezing, but never said a word. Within a week our relative completely lost her hearing, and her mucous went hard. She became terribly muddled and paranoid ….all COVID symptoms in SOME elderly people. She was never tested for COVID, and died 6 weeks after exposure.

YOUR story is infinitely less conclusive than my story, because - APPARENTLY - none of the participants were ever actually TESTED for COVID! (Unless your little, cryptic "after exposure" is meant to imply that it is definitively known that the caregiver was, indeed, COVID-positive - but you did not explicitly say that!)

1. We thus don't know whether or not the "hacking" caregiver was infected with COVID.

2. We also don't know whether the beloved relative was infected with COVID.

3. We also don't know if - even if her COVID status had been properly determined and heroic medical interventions and measures undertaken, that that would have made a difference (more on that below).

A pretty p*ss-poor story to prove a point about COVID, if you ask me...

Now, to point #3:

Failing that, she might have survived if they had provided her with care which included COVID testing.

Pure speculation!

Let's assume - for the sake of argument - that the relative HAD been tested for COVID. And let's further also assume - for the sake of argument - that she had tested positive. What would have / could have been done DIFFERENTLY to save her life?

(If you are saying that her care was sub-standard from the get-go ANYWAY, then the question might be moot. One could namely argue that she would not, in any case, have gotten the proper care she needed, even if her COVID status had been definitively determined.)

Regards,

I might as well talk to a stump.

She’s a Religious zealot.

Great! No downside to THAT decision!

I might as well talk to a stump.

Brilliant analysis! I especially admire how you took my statements and picked them apart, one by one, so as to reveal the underlying fallacies, hidden assumptions, and untruths!

Regards,