Posted on 01/29/2022 4:44:09 AM PST by Callahan
It is obvious you make that statement from an emotional and rhetorical perspective, so it isn't a serious statement. For your statement to be true you have to ignore the facts (an action that the Left characterizes these days as "following the science") and the facts of the matter that bear on it are mainly two:
Those two facts alone show that you base your metric of "doubt" on false or non-existent data. In other words, you base that assessment on emotion alone, because the facts do not support you.
In that light, your assertion (which is meaningless other than to show where you stand on this) broadcasts your view that people should unquestioningly accept the vaccine regardless of the lethality of either the virus or the vaccine itself, simply because the government demands it.
devane617, you stated that you "have NO clue why so many have chosen this hill to die on".
I find that surprising from person frequenting a conservative website, but there are indeed all kinds on this forum, so perhaps you simply are one of those, or you haven't taken the time to understand why people object to various facets of this "pandemic". Let me explain it to you if you have the courage to listen.
We use Liberty and Freedom as synonyms, but they do mean different things. The main difference between liberty and freedom is that liberty is the state of being free from oppressive restrictions or control imposed by authority on one’s way of life, behavior, or political views, while freedom is the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants.
I assume that if you are a conservative, you find the state of being free from oppressive restrictions and controls imposed by authority on an individual's life, behavior, or political views and the power to act, speak, or think as one wants without official sanction (as long as you do not conflict with the same rights of others) a desirable state to be in, correct?
I have to assume you agree, otherwise, for what purpose would you be frequenting Free Republic other than to cause trouble? (For the record, I do not believe that is the case. I would rather believe you are viewing this issue through a prism of fear and/or ignorance with that ignorance being the literal sense, not the pejorative sense.)
In that light, I offer you these facts. These are not opinions, they are incontravertible facts:
But in reality, not a whit of that matters to people such as me who make an issue of forced vaccination.
The lethality of the virus is irrelevant.
In a free society, mandating quarantiines, mask wearing, and forced inoculation as anathema to the concepts of both liberty and freedom. Furthermore, they are unnecessary.
If this virus had been deadly, even 5-10% REALLY deadly resulting in those percentages of people ACTUALLY DYING FROM THE VIRUS, people would self-quarantine, would wear full hazmat suits, and be clamoring for a vaccine, any vaccine, there would be riots to get it. If it had a lethality of 25-50% as some pathogens in the past have, people would be barricaded their sealed houses with firearms to keep other humans away.
Forcing vaccination on people to travel, associate, shop, or EVEN WORK (as I myself am working under a looming vaccination mandate) is against everything this country has ever stood for. Every principle.
The truth of the matter is, what this country has stood for matters to some people. People have fought for what this country stands for, and have been injured, permanently crippled, and died to defend what this country stands for.
That is a clue. Neither of you may agree with it, but that is why people have "chosen this hill to die on". It should be their right as a citizen in a free country to choose that "hill to die on".
As Freeper Candor7 said in his post: He died a free man.
THE GOVERNMENT HAS NO ROLE IN DECIDING FOR ANY AMERICAN WHAT HILL THEY CAN OR CANNOT DIE ON IN THE CONTEXT OF THEIR PERSONAL LIFE.
Sincere best wishes for you mother's continued good health.
People who support entities who fire unvaccinated people are people who support mandatory vaccination.
They may also support restrictions on travel, healthcare, association, shopping, driving, you name it.
They may fool themselves by trying to rationalize it in in some way, but they are exactly for mandating the shots.
And I have seen plenty of them here, right on Free Republic who think it is just fine that a entity can fire an employee on the basis of refusing an invasive medical procedure.
Unfortunately, most of the vax debates descend quickly into name calling. Which is why I mostly avoid those threads. Disgusting and mocking comments come from both sides. No, I am not one of them.
But, I reiterate, I NEVER see anyone arguing FOR vax mandates on FR. Regards.
“..Was he denied early treatment? Betcha.
If so, CoupFlu didn’t kill him. Deep State’s medical myrmidons did...”
Exactly.
I’ve got a nephew that’s in his early 30s, in good shape, healthy...was. Took all the jabs to stay employed. After the last one, he’s come down with COVID really bad and his immune system appears to be shot.
He’s been denied nonoconals because of the idiot in the WH. His mother is gonna try to get ivermectin to him in an effort to keep him out of the govt. legalized kill zone (hospital).
There are folks that need to be held accountable for this BS...BIG TIME.
Sorry, I did not see "many"(if any) arguing that. But I have to admit I have avoided most vax threads recently.
This stuff is nasty and ineffective for its advertised use. Taking it is proving extremely risky as your experience shows. The American People and the world have fallen prey to a sinister scheme.
The VaxxiNazis are celebrating.
Was he denied early treatment?
Betcha.
If so, CoupFlu didn’t kill him.
Deep State’s medical myrmidons did.
Was wondering the same thing.
Was he given Remdesivir? A vent? IOW....no treatment, just a sentence?
Things the lying media will never say/report on.
And if he acquired a nosocomial case from a vaxxed superspreader employee...
I hope the family takes that health system to court and sues the living **** out of it.
Opposition to tyranny.
I'm surprised you can't comprehend that.
It’s Washington state.
He probably got zero early treatment.
No one can get a vaccine-related injury if they do not get a vaccine.
Granted, the likelihood of dying from COVID would have been less if he'd had the vaccine, but, then, your odds of dying from a traffic injury go down by not being around vehicles. You have to determine if it's worth the “safe” choice over the benefits and detriments provided, coupled with your beliefs.
My cousin died three days after getting his first COVID-19 vaccine. He did not have any indication of COVID-19, including no fever or other symptoms before his injection. They said he died of “COVID-19” in the hospital, three months ago.
The PCR test is “so sensitive” (or has so many false positives) that the CDC director said in late December that no one should use the vaunted PCR test to determine if they have COVID-19 because the PCR test shows a positive 12 weeks after a person isolated against a possible (not truly known) exposure, but never got it. She said no one would be at work, if using PCR tests as validation you did not have COVID-19.
Read more on the PCR test stupidity from ABC News, here:
They are also very profitable for the hospitals.
Everybody who tests positive and is sent to the ICU, given Remdesivir (the CDC "approved" protocol) and put on a ventilator to die is a money machine for the hospital and especially if they die. That's because the hospital gets another big death bonus besides the 20% bonus added on the entire bill for using the deadly Fauci drug, Remdesivir. It's reportedly around $100,000+ (whistleblower data) and most of this pile of cash is "government" tax money.
Everything you wrote is spot on.
Why did his death get press in the first place?
Probably true.
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Well said.
What is completely avoided (not just buried like the inconvenient truths you’ve posted) is that these “vaccines” are EXPERIMENTAL, and authorized for EMERGENCY USE ONLY; that is the main issue with them (and why they are killing people or simply not protecting them at all). THEY HAVEN’T BEEN TESTED FOR THE STANDARD LENGTH OF TIME. The people receiving these shots don’t understand THEY ARE THE TESTING.
The median is despicable...mocking someone who has died. How low can you get.
Where do they mock him? I read the whole article and didn't see anything like that.
I see those posts, and am sensitive to them. I don’t blame you a bit for avoiding the “Vaxx threads”. I monitor them and post to them, always looking for something that will rescue me from my current situation.
There are people here who blithely tell me to abandon my profession of some 40 years and quit over the mandate. Find another job, they say. The equivalent of “learn to code”.
For me, at my age, that means going to work at something completely unrelated, since my entire profession is under a mandate and there won’t be any deviation. The community is too monolithic.
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