Posted on 01/26/2022 8:04:15 AM PST by Coronal
Mickey Mantle received a liver transplant June 8, 1995 despite a lifetime of abusing alcohol and advance stage liver cancer. He died August 18, 1995. Apparently Mr. Mantle’s personal health decisions did not affect the decision to give him a scarce donor organ.
Was the 63 year old Mr. Mantle more deserving of a liver transplant than 31 year old Mr. Ferguson is of a heart transplant? Who decides these “value” questions and on what basis?
There's a strong tendency on this forum (as well as most other online fora) for opinions that don't adhere to the site's prevalent line to be shouted down.
There are at least two ways to read this situation: On the one hand, guy is being denied access to a lifesaving operation because of covid vaccine status. On the other hand, the guy is denying himself access to that lifesaving operation through a conscious decision that may or may not be well reasoned. I don't recall anything in the articles which emphasize his doctors' opinions about his case, or if those doctors are lobbying for an exception to this policy because of his specific condition, maybe they are, maybe it's strictly the guy with the bad heart being more afraid of the vaccine side effects than of not getting the transplant.
Maybe he has a strong moral or religious stance against the use of fetal tissue in the research of the mRNA vaccines. Either way, nobody is forcing him to take the vaccine and he's not entitled to an organ transplant just because he's really sick.
It's also unlikely that this story reflects the implied "he was going to get a heart transplant, but he was denied the operation." As you had said, he was on a list, the list had requirements that are decided at the national level, and he didn't meet one of the key requirements as determined at that level, so he got taken off the list.
Presumably he would be back on the list if he got the vaccine, but maybe his condition is now past the point he can safely take the vaccine and withstand the effects, or maybe he'd rather play things out differently. He had a year, and he knew he was sick and for better or worse, what the criteria for being a candidate for transplant were a year ago, so it's not a matter of waiting to come around to the idea. The story only tells one portion of that, from a point of view that the vaccines, and anyone pushing them, are de facto evil. The local hospital doesn't have a say in the matter at that point, there aren't a fridge full of suitable organs available, and given the extensive amounts of medications and precautions that organ transplant recipients have to adhere to post-transplant, it's not a great signal that this person would have the mindset necessary to follow along and make the most of that second chance at life.
I also don't think it's unfair to characterize those lists and the people who decide who gets on the list and how they rank as a "death panel". There is a great deal of scarcity when it comes to transplant organs, not everyone gets one and someone has to figure out how to address the scarcity. The decision has to be made where the organs go when they become available, and some people get them over other people based off that list made up by a group of nameless someones. In cases where there is scarcity in resources for medical care, death panels are a necessary part of medical care. In the rollout of the vaccines, those someones also decided who got the vaccines first because they were highest risk, denying until later the other people in the population who wanted a vaccine.
I’m glad he is off the list, he wouldn’t follow protocol anyway. Give the heart to someone who will appreciate this tremendous gift of life.
Some more information……do you happen to know the #1 reason hearts are rejected after transplant? The recipient does not take or believe in the essential prescribed medication.
You are right, it IS ridiculous that they are pushing it that far, when it's proven that the shot does not protect one from COVID, and there is mounting evidence that they may actually cause harm to people. This is about the narrative and control, not people's health. I have no doubt that when the hospital figures out that if he should get COVID and die after the transplant they'll get paid the Federal COVID bounty they change their tune.
Great synopsis. You mentioned “He had a year” and right there is a big red flag, a year ago the COVID vaccine was just rolling out and doubtful it was required at that time for transplant There is no way, a thirty-one year old with a family, “ top on the list” would have had to wait a year for a heart transplant. He would have been a top candidate the day he was accepted on the registry, probably a new heart within thirty days. I don’t think we are getting the entire story and there has to be other issues.
Something else we learned, these transplant certified hospitals are watched very closely. They are rated as to transplant success and they themselves given grades. If there are an inordinate number of transplant failures, the hospital is meticulously investigated, suspended from performing transplants until case by case has been resolved. They can then be cancelled. Therefore, they want only the most viable transplant recipients and therefore carefully scrutinized. This guy would have been a poster child for the hospital, something is missing.
I applaud him. A murdered baby was involved in these shots and his soul could be put in danger if he caves. You go ahead and try and explain to God how a sacrificing babies are ok as long as you benefit from it. Good luck
Let’s hope this COVID paranoia ends before long, and you can get your surgery rescheduled. Best wishes….🙏
what a hateful place that hospital is. I pray there is a God, heaven, and judgement day. I probably wont pas but i will enjoy their turn to face judgement. Evil people just like their predecessors in Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.
Just evil
“Opps! Posted this on the wrong thread! Sorry ...”
I dunno, it seemed to fit in pretty well.
Don’t worry, if Democrats are not swept out of control of the House and Senate in November elections, they will save Social Security, Medicare, and Obama Care from their respective multiple financial crisis, by banning coverage to the those not “current” in their vaccinations.
“... because they can only come from naturally immune donors, perhaps?”
Wouldn’t it be ironic if, years from now, having gotten the jab makes one medically ineligible to donate and/or receive organs for transplant?
The Wizard of Oz: I would give you a heart, but you’re not vaccinated.
Although I've known some really crappy MD's - DO's ...which I'm sure you would agree.
LQQK Karen, we’re done here. Move along. Your radical, liberal, off the wall opinion isn’t worth my time. Buh bye.
Wirklich? This would only punish the ill, not the ill-informeed.
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