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Why vaccine trials weren't responsible 'science' – not even close Jane M. Orient, M.D.: 'There is virtually NO control group for potential late adverse consequences'
wnd.com ^ | 12/29/2021 1934 hrs et | Jane M. Orient, M.D.

Posted on 12/30/2021 5:46:51 AM PST by rktman

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To: Socon-Econ

“The testing interval needs to vary with the need for haste.”

No, that’s what we have emergency use authorizations for, so that we never have to compromise the standard testing procedures, no matter what urgent demand there is for the medication.


41 posted on 12/30/2021 8:55:58 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Cboldt

“The Marek’s disease example has the unvaccinated being exposed to highly lethal variants of the virus.”

Yes, except this isn’t Marek’s disease, it’s a highly transmissable coronavirus that’s already been around for 2 seasons. That means that most of the unvaccinated have probably already been exposed to it and gained natural immunity, so any potential “highly lethal variant” that appears will not be facing a largely unprotected population.


42 posted on 12/30/2021 9:00:43 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Big Red Badger
Look at the marketing history of Vioxx... There are enough examples to keep us busy for days.
43 posted on 12/30/2021 9:13:59 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time
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To: Boogieman
-- Yes, except this isn't Marek's disease, it's a highly transmissable coronavirus that's already been around for 2 seasons. That means that most of the unvaccinated have probably already been exposed to it and gained natural immunity ... --

I'm sure there are many differences, but the jist I get of the marek's disease example is thta when a leaky vaccine is widely used, the virus is free to mutate into more deadly forms, and can do so without killing the vaccinated hosts. In other words, the practice of widespread leaky vax provides an environment that produces more deadly virus than would otherwise be produced.

I did not get the notion that immunity, e.g., naturally acquired, would resist those variants, but on reflection, maybe it does.

In the chicken population, most of the (next generation) hosts will have a short life regardless, and if a deadly strain is around, it is supposedly deadly to the unvaxed chickens who never had a chance to develop any immunity.

Trying to give all of humanity a leaky vaccine is unprecedented. Even if there is some short term benefit, my gut tells me it is a long-term disaster.

44 posted on 12/30/2021 9:30:06 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: CodeToad

Fortunately, I am one of the Pure Bloods gang. No ‘jab’ for me.

So actually, I am one of the missing ‘control group’. I just never showed up for the first meeting.


45 posted on 12/30/2021 9:59:05 AM PST by RideForever (One of the CoVID naturally immune control group)
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To: RideForever

Exactly. The Purebloods are the control group.


46 posted on 12/30/2021 10:26:52 AM PST by CodeToad (Arm up! They Have!)
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To: Big Red Badger

dont forget the tuskegee mess either


47 posted on 12/30/2021 11:39:23 AM PST by Craftmore
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To: Socon-Econ
I’m not an “anti-vaxxer.” I’m against a vaccine that was rushed through development and had an inadequate trial period; still hasn’t been approved by the FDA; and has absolutely no manufacturer liability.

If all of that isn’t enough to make someone nervous about getting the “vaccine,” how about that it doesn’t work as a vaccine should since you can still get sick and even die; the CDC and the media have lied to us about the virus and the vaccine every step of the way; and there’s no provision made for the over 150,000,000 Americans who have already had Covid and survived—which, according to “soyance,” means we are immune and don’t require an ineffective and possibly deadly experimental use authorization vaccine.

The fact that we are then lambasted and ridiculed by our fellow conservatives, merely because we value our right to have autonomy over our bodies, is especially irritating and downright scary. How about you “vaxxers” MYOFB. The “unclean” among you cannot hurt you because you got the mighty “vaccine,” right? 🤣

48 posted on 12/30/2021 1:11:54 PM PST by Prince of Space ( Let’s go, Brandon! )
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To: Socon-Econ
Re: "would you wait for 9 years before taking the only available shot?"

After living through the heterosexual AIDS panic in the 1980s, and now the Covid panic forty years later, my Day One medical question will be:

"Where are the interim therapeutics?"

I will speculate that thousands of lives could have been saved from ventilator genocide if we had tried universal distribution of Ivermectin and the other verifiably safe therapeutics to Covid infected Americans.

Also, speaking personally as a very fit and healthy 72 year old, I would have taken the Pfizer vaccine if I was 80 years old, or if I had high risk health issues.

49 posted on 12/30/2021 10:51:14 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: CodeToad

“Exactly. The Purebloods are the control group.”

But the “scientists” are completely ignoring this large control group. It isn’t being studied. How many in the group have contracted Covid and survived? How many are taking vitamin supplements or are on ivermectin as a preventative measure? How exposed are they to the virus in their daily lives. What about mask usage in this group?

Zero scientific curiosity, much less study, of a sizable population. What other reason than those in power don’t want the knowledge.


50 posted on 12/31/2021 2:04:23 AM PST by Soul of the South (The past is gone and cannot be changed. Tomorrow can be a better day if we work on it.)
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