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There Are Growing Fears That China Could Be Hiding Missiles In Containerships Worldwide (EMP)
Nation And State | 12-8-2021

Posted on 12/08/2021 6:38:36 AM PST by blam

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To: Perseverando
"Got a link for the article? Thanks!"

Oops. Sorry, I thought it was linked.

There Are Growing Fears That China Could Be Hiding Missiles In Containerships Worldwide

41 posted on 12/08/2021 8:35:55 AM PST by blam
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To: DEPcom

That article is from April, 2016, five years ago. Got anything more recent?


42 posted on 12/08/2021 8:42:53 AM PST by upchuck (The longer I remain unjabbed with the clot-shot, the more evidence I see supporting my decision.)
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To: blam

Why is this a surprise? I just though that this was logical - you have an aggressive, expansionist power, and such nations have traditionally violated every treaty (if there is even one on this subject to which China is a signatory - and I doubt that) and every norm of civilized behavior to maximize their power...or their ability to obtain more power via a surprise attack on more powerful enemies.

Hell, last night I watched “Pearl Harbor” (the 2001 movie) again. How naive we were to expect Japan, which even then had a reputation (earned by their surprise attack on Russia’s Far East fleet at Port Arthur in 1904) for violating international norms. Why on Earth would we think that China (which sprung a surprise attack on mainly US forces in Korea in 1950) would abide by such norms. They are engaged in genocide right now, they are (in violation of international law) building island bases in the Pacific and calling them their sovereign territory, they manipulate their currency in violation of agreements, etc., etc. Why would anyone think otherwise about cruise missiles in cargo chips?

The solution here is to:

1) Have a US administration that actually understands China’s aggressiveness and wishes to push back against it (we had one of those until about 11 months ago, and hopefully will in about 3 years, but for now we’re screwed);

2) Require as a prerequisite to being able to import goods into this country that ALL other nations have their cargo containers and ships inspected by US inspectors at their port of departure. Don’t like it, too damned bad - then sell your products somewhere else. They pay for the inspections on a per container or per ship basis (and more for larger ships); that will pay for the inspectors and their equipment, and the inspectors will not only be looking for missiles and nuclear material, but also infectious cargo, bugs, invasive species of animals and plants, etc. IOW, this would be a program aimed at protecting the US and its population from a hostile power, and it would employ a lot of US citizens.

3) Institute the controls over immigration that the Trump Administration had in effect when it left office - but do that from Day One.

4) Limit, by over 90%, the number of Chinese nationals able to be in this country working and/or going to school. I have been unable to see any benefit to this country from such activities, whereas the opportunities for China to spy on us or sabotage us are legion, and even if there was none of that (in some fantasy world), we would still be educating and giving practical experience to our largest and most dangerous economic and political/military enemy. What the Hell is wrong with us? Are the Russians under Putin (arguably a very patriotic and nationalistic leader, whatever his other qualities and actions) allowing anything at all like this with their competitors/enemies? Nope, not a chance...which begs the question of why we’re being so damned stupid, and have been for decades with little hope (other than 4 years under Trump) for any change of attitude or action.


43 posted on 12/08/2021 9:34:38 AM PST by Ancesthntr (“The right to buy weapons is the right to be free.” ― A.E. Van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: mewzilla

“Do you recall the Palermo Senator incident off the NJ coast back in 2002...?”


None of the specifics, just a dim memory of a ship with radioactivity on board that was near our shores.

Thanks for bringing it up, now I know more. Things (and people) like your post and you are why I love FR - we, as a group, have a depth of knowledge and expertise that is unmatched anywhere else.


44 posted on 12/08/2021 9:38:08 AM PST by Ancesthntr (“The right to buy weapons is the right to be free.” ― A.E. Van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: ryderann

“I asked a man who has been in container shipping for 35 years about this threat. He asked me what did I think was in OUR containers? Hmmm...tit for tat?”


I would hope that we had the sense and the guts to do exactly the same thing, and to make sure that our enemies or potential enemies (China, Iran, NK, etc.) knew that. That’s the essence of deterrence - having both the means and the will to use at least commensurate force against any enemy that has the capacity to seriously damage us in any attack on our homeland.


45 posted on 12/08/2021 9:41:00 AM PST by Ancesthntr (“The right to buy weapons is the right to be free.” ― A.E. Van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: Ancesthntr
Something else to consider. The threat's not just off-shore...

Canada's CPPIB to buy Ports America from Oaktree to further infrastructure push

Watchdog raises concern about Canadian pension investments in China

FMC Commissioners Call for Scrutiny of Canadians Buying Ports America

Canadians. That's a good one.

46 posted on 12/08/2021 9:47:56 AM PST by mewzilla (Those aren't masks. They're muzzles. )
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To: Perseverando

Thanks.


47 posted on 12/08/2021 10:06:14 AM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: ClearCase_guy

Did not Øbowel claim the US under him could absorb a first strike and not retaliate?


48 posted on 12/08/2021 10:31:29 AM PST by doorgunner69 ("Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything.." -Joseph Stalin)
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To: Wonder Warthog

I went back and looked at that sentence. I was typing fast. I meant to say they “won’t” take out the subs.

My mistake.


49 posted on 12/08/2021 10:34:57 AM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: Vermont Lt

We aren’t going to shoot a dann thing at China. The only enemy our military will be allowed to totally destroy is us.


50 posted on 12/08/2021 10:41:50 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (“There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach,” said one woman.)
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To: upchuck

I would have to search for more recent. There could be some more recent articles out there.


51 posted on 12/08/2021 10:55:52 AM PST by DEPcom (Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules)
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To: kagnew

I have not been able to countenance his Botox-ed visage since he declared the shameful retreat from Afghanistan was a “great success”. Didn’t care for him at all before that, but at this time, I just shut him off every time I see him.


52 posted on 12/08/2021 12:17:27 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (Buck Foe Jiden!)
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To: vpintheak

Carrier pilots are in a class of their own. Just because they build a hunk of metal and call it a “carrier” does not give their pilots the training or the ability of a US top dog. Let’s see how fast this “navy” of theirs can go say hi to Davy Jones.


53 posted on 12/08/2021 12:20:52 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (Buck Foe Jiden!)
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To: Eleutheria5

No argument.
But we’re probably only 5 or 10 yrs from the point where carrier ops will be totally done on auto pilot.


54 posted on 12/08/2021 12:26:38 PM PST by nascarnation (Let's Go Brandon!)
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To: Ancesthntr

“Limit, by over 90%, the number of Chinese nationals able to be in this country working and/or going to school. ...”

My former employer used to represent a Chinese national who, to get out of China, swam towards Taiwan, got lost, was picked up by Chicom navy and arrested, served time in jail, studied astronomy and navigation and made the same swim by night, navigated by stars, and made it safe to Taiwan, then immigrated legally to the United States. He’s not going back. America is for just such refugees.


55 posted on 12/08/2021 12:29:16 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (Buck Foe Jiden!)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

That’s what you get for being a ‘white supremacist’ and undermining demoncrazy.


56 posted on 12/08/2021 12:30:47 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (Buck Foe Jiden!)
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To: Eleutheria5

Swimming 100 miles in open ocean is impressive.


57 posted on 12/08/2021 12:32:06 PM PST by nascarnation (Let's Go Brandon!)
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To: nascarnation

We represented him in an accident, and one of the items of damage was that he could no longer swim well.

But he wasn’t doing it to show off his athletic prowess; he was desperate to get out from under the commies and live free. Anyone who would do a stunt like that to gain his freedom should stay.


58 posted on 12/08/2021 12:38:39 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (Buck Foe Jiden!)
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To: Eleutheria5

Those are the kind of people that we want. The children of CCP Politburo members who are coming here to learn or work in the nuclear industry or computers, with every intention of going back...not so much.


59 posted on 12/08/2021 1:38:58 PM PST by Ancesthntr (“The right to buy weapons is the right to be free.” ― A.E. Van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: DEPcom
I was under the impression the US developed technology for detecting concealed nuclear weapons.

I highly doubt many, if any, of these containers contain nuclear weapons. Likely all conventional missiles, which can still do quite a bit of damage.

Now they might load a couple nukes if they know they're getting started soon, bit I doubt they have any (nukes) just sitting over here all the time.
60 posted on 12/08/2021 4:03:08 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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