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Now the Lancet U-turns over Covid lab leak theory and publishes 'alternative view' calling for a 'transparent debate' on the origins of the virus
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Posted on 09/19/2021 5:41:55 AM PDT by janetjanet998

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To: janetjanet998

The execrable Lancet has not been a “medical journal” for decades.

It is a political advocacy rag. And that is it.


21 posted on 09/19/2021 6:37:50 AM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists are The Droplet of Sewage in a gallon of ultra-pure clean water.)
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To: Jim Noble

And, it’s a pretty crappy bioweapon, if that’s what it is.


I beg to differ. It may not have the outright killing power of a true “bio weapon” but it was very powerful none the less. It removed the one obstacle to China obtaining more power on the world stage, Trump. It threw the entire planet into a tizzy that allowed the globalist oligarchs to obtain a great deal of control. It’s providing cover for the communist takeover of the USA. It’s enriching the crony capitalists that fund the commies in power. It’s crushing the middle class and small business (the true counter to the globalists), and it has opposing sides at each others throats completely ignoring what the “elites” are doing to reshape the world in their vision.

All this with a mostly survivable flu. No giant pile of bodies to inflame the masses and call for the destruction of China or a popular uprising that galvanizes everyone together. Just chaos and division I’d say as a weapon it’s been a resounding success.


22 posted on 09/19/2021 6:46:05 AM PDT by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged )
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To: Jim Noble; unread; CIB-173RDABN
And, it's a pretty crappy bioweapon, if that's what it is.

That's why a lot of people believe it prematurely escaped or was deliberately released (an act of spite to get back at an abusive boss, a staffer desperate to feed his family by selling end of experiment lab animals, for examples).

If it were a approved deliberate release it wouldn't have been done until there was an effective vaccine, and it sure as heck wouldn't have happened on the lab's doorstep!!!

23 posted on 09/19/2021 6:48:13 AM PDT by null and void (No jab/no job = Only the compliant can work, they won't spread dangerous ideas around the workplace!)
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To: null and void

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24 posted on 09/19/2021 6:48:44 AM PDT by SaveFerris (The Lord, The Christ, and The Messiah: Jesus Christ of Nazareth - http://www.BiblicalJesusChrist.Com)
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To: CIB-173RDABN
Expert: Chinese Scientists Sell Lab Animals as Meat on the Black Market

by John Howard, February 24, 2020

Population Research Institute President Steven W. Mosher wrote at the New York Post on Saturday that Chinaā€™s coronavirus epidemic could have been unleashed by researchers who sold laboratory animals to the notorious ā€œwet marketsā€ of Wuhan for extra cash.

The novel twist to Mosherā€™s theory is that Chinese lab technicians have an unfortunate history of selling experimental animals to vendors such as the ones that ply their trade in Wuhanā€™s wet market:

Instead of properly disposing of infected animals by cremation, as the law requires, they sell them on the side to make a little extra cash. Or, in some cases, a lot of extra cash. One Beijing researcher, now in jail, made a million dollars selling his monkeys and rats on the live animal market, where they eventually wound up in someoneā€™s stomach.


Note the date. This is BEFORE most people even knew about this disease and before the pandemic really ignited.
"On January 19, 2020, a man who had returned home to Snohomish County, Washington near Seattle on January 15, after traveling to Wuhan, checked into an urgent care clinic after seeing reports about the outbreak.

Experiencing a cough, fever, nausea and vomiting, the Centers for Disease Control announced on January 21 that the 35-year-old had tested positive for COVID-19. He was hospitalized, where his condition grew worse and he developed pneumonia. His symptoms abated 10 days later.


25 posted on 09/19/2021 6:50:01 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom ("If Iā€™m going to get my political views from those who chase balls, Iā€™ll ask my dog.")
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To: janetjanet998

The Lancet went corrupt when they backed the transgender crappola. Trust them as much as you would AP or Rueters.


26 posted on 09/19/2021 6:54:44 AM PDT by bobbo666 (Baizuo)
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To: VTenigma

+1


27 posted on 09/19/2021 7:02:28 AM PDT by Kevmo (Iā€™m immune from Covid since I donā€™t watch TV.šŸ¤—)
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To: janetjanet998

Two sentence ā€œdebateā€:
1. Fauci create the concept, funded it and is responsible for everything that has happened afterwards.

2. The Fauci flu is a crime against humanity.


28 posted on 09/19/2021 7:16:43 AM PDT by NTHockey (My rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: null and void
"If it were a approved deliberate release it wouldn't have been done until there was an effective vaccine, and it sure as heck wouldn't have happened on the lab's doorstep!!!"

But the CCP strategy was not a sudden and unmistakable first strike in a kinetic war. Their strategy is grounded in political objectives by extraordinary means. Thus, realizing that they couldn't win a "WAR-war" [Whoopi Goldberg] against the US with Trump in the White House, they released the virus AGAINST THE ENTIRE PLANET, making the location of the release a moot point - share and share alike.

Everyone gets infected, everyone loses what, let's say .01 percent of their population, "incruding us". No big deal to them, in fact it frankly disposes of some elderly people they don't want anyway.

The strategic objective was "Orange man gone." It was that important to them to **** with our elections and to do their part to put Biden in office. Now they have a war they can win, with the help of our own Communists and media.

In order to do that, they knew that they MUST HAVE Plausible Deniability OR at least a retreating confession to back into, which our media is assisting. "Hey, we didn't do nothin', it was just an inelegant little Chinese lady slurpin' up some bat soup! No? Don't buy that one? Well... OK we were messin' around with some viruses and stuff but WE PROMISE we were taking precautions! It was an ACCIDENT!"

("Yeah... that's the ticket...")

The end game is to facilitate the invasion of the US, which is happening right now and to take America down - AFTER humiliating us in Afghanistan, and adding a quarter million Afghans to the invasion. (250,000 is the number that AOC demanded be brought in from Afghanistan, which she'll probably get, but not in her home district.)

They view it as playing the long game... but not all that long... Some say by 2030, one is beginning to think those who say that are onto something.

They'll get back to selling their cheap hsit all over the planet in due time. We'll continue selling them grain, and Australia most certainly got the message about continuing to sell them beef.

29 posted on 09/19/2021 7:23:46 AM PDT by OKSooner (Always say, "After the fair trial".)
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To: VTenigma
I beg to differ. It may not have the outright killing power of a true ā€œbio weaponā€ but it was very powerful none the less. It removed the one obstacle to China obtaining more power on the world stage, Trump.

*****

This!

30 posted on 09/19/2021 7:25:31 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: janetjanet998

The Lancet? Really? The Titanic of medical journals.


31 posted on 09/19/2021 7:27:33 AM PDT by healy61
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To: null and void; VTenigma
My point was (and is), Chinese perfidy (except in the obvious coverup) is an unnecessary addition to what is obvious and a matter of public record.

Virology researchers (some of them) have been on about dangerous pathogens research, both for vaccine development AND because their job is expanding knowledge, for decades.

The thing which (probably) created SARS CoV 2, gain of function (GOF) research, has been a hot topic, and has been hotly debated, for many years.

I have been present at meetings where this issue has polarized the audience between "you can't stop man's search for knowledge" and "you are threatening to destroy the human race".

While CoV GOF research was being fought over in the US, the influenza people were digging up frozen corpses in the high Arctic to revive the 1918 pandemic flu virus, and faced identical arguments.

Anyway, the US GOF people lost the argument, and bat coronavirus manipulation was stopped in the US in (I think) 2017.

This is where the China story begins.

SOMETHING happened, along the lines of NIH appropriated but not spent money went to North Carolina, and from there to Wuhan. Scientists went from Canada to Wuhan as part of this scenario.

Bat coronavirus GOF research (apparently) resumed at the Wuhan Institute, where biodefense against SARS was already a major work area.

Then, something bad happened.

If you have been inside one of these labs, cross-contamination or accidental worker infection is very, very easy to imagine. Given the nature of SARS CoV 2, one infected worker in October 2109 would have been more than enough to produce the observed results.

All this is straightforward, fits the known facts, fits the timeline, and explains the coverup HERE AND THERE. Can you imagine being the bureaucrat who signed off on the cutout path through North Carolina? If THAT ever becomes public record, you are off to the dreaded private sector, or worse. The guys on the Wuhan end are probably already dead.

Chinese GOVERNMENT organized release is an additional layer on the cake. Possible, but unnecessary.

32 posted on 09/19/2021 7:35:14 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The nation cannot be saved until the GOP is destroyed)
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To: Jim Noble
All that makes sense.

Also, the timing was perfect to incriminate the CCP in collaboration with our own Communists.

Nice tagline. :)

33 posted on 09/19/2021 7:51:29 AM PDT by OKSooner (Always say, "After the fair trial".)
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To: Jim Noble
Go back and re-read my post. I very strongly state that it wasn't a deliberate release by the Chinese government.

It wasn't in a ready to use form (no vaccine).

It first appeared 'in the wild' on the doorstep of the lab working on it.

A deliberate release would have likely occurred in the southern resource zone, that southern zone where China is most busy looking for mineral resources, agrcurtural output and most vitally, unoccupied land, Lebensraum, for half a billion or so Chinese.

The problem being, that southern resource zone already has a population. But really, who cares about black Africans...

34 posted on 09/19/2021 8:34:19 AM PDT by null and void (No jab/no job = Only the compliant can work, they won't spread dangerous ideas around the workplace!)
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To: Jim Noble

Thanks Jim for a great reply. A minor quibble; Obama stopped the “gain of function” reaserch in ‘14 or ‘15. One of the only things he did I’ll give him props for. Fauci sidestepped the ban on federal funding by running a game on a Trump staffer and then through a cutout reestablished the funding stream.

That said, you have a tough row to hoe to convince me this wasn’t a deliberate act. Trump had Xi in a box with sanctions, the globalist were desperate, Pelosi is an insane monster desperate to get ride of Trump and install her kind of communism in this country to destroy it. Too many coincidences for me to buy the “accident” theory (remember 2008). Somebody had to finish the job Obama started and keep blame from him.


35 posted on 09/19/2021 9:41:02 AM PDT by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged )
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That said, you have a tough row to hoe to convince me this wasnā€™t a deliberate act

Overcomplicates a simple explanation.

I'm too clumsy to work in a BL-4 environment. So are most people.

To be so deft that you could exfiltrate the virus, bypass all the safety steps, evade detection, stay safe, and then infect somebody outside - that could happen, of course, but all of that is completely unnecessary to explain the observed facts when "oops" is always and everywhere more common.

You believe what you believe, I surmise, because of whet you believe about CHINA, not because of what you believe about lab safety and GOF research.

36 posted on 09/19/2021 9:55:41 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The nation cannot be saved until the GOP is destroyed)
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Everyone forgets that theses virus were not considered very dangerous so they were doing a lot of research in less secure facilities. Including bsl 2 and 3 labs


37 posted on 09/19/2021 10:04:56 AM PDT by algore ( )
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You’re right, simple is better. Now explain to my why China locked it’s own people indoors, ripped up roads and had armed military everywhere keeping people locked down yet was still allowing flights to the west.

Now explain to me why we here at the FreeRepublic knew it late January this virus was a major threat yet Nancy Pelosi was marching around San Francisco’s Chinatown maskless proclaiming “no big deal”, Deblasio was marching around NYC proclaiming the same thing, and Anthony Fauci was bald face lying to us about masks.

This was all done during a time when Donald Trump was trying to shut down traffic between infected countries and the U.S. All the while being called every name in the book and having activist judges undermining his orders.

Yup, simple is better. The actions after the “simple act” tell the tale.


38 posted on 09/19/2021 10:08:38 AM PDT by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged )
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To: CIB-173RDABN

I suspect that that COVID-19 originated from Fauci-funded research at the Wuhan lab, and I think it is, by far, the strongest hypothesis of origin. However, I think your belief that a worker smuggled a test animal out for sale in a wet market is extraordinarily unlikely.

I’ve traveled in China for decades and have spent months there. I have very close friends who live there. The candidate “test animals” would be either horseshoe bats or so-called “humanized” mice. Neither of these animals would be sold in the Wuhan wet market, which is essentially a farmers’ market where both meat and vegetables are sold. The horseshoe bat is a microbat that weighs just 1/2 of an ounce; it simply is not the sort of bat that people would sell in a market. There are much larger fruit bats that are sold in some Asian markets, but even these are not popular in Hubei Province. Mice are not sold in markets their either. If one goes on a trek in remote regions of Asia, one may encounter hill tribesmen who eat small rodents and bats, but they simply are not commercial items. Wet markets are common all over Asia, not just China, and they deal in commercial agricultural products. Some of these are very weird to an American, but they don’t include microbats and mice.

It’s not impossible that an employee acted on a hare-brained scheme to supplement his income, but a much, much simpler explanation is that an employee got infected by a highly contagious pathogen that was engineered in the lab.


39 posted on 09/19/2021 10:20:42 AM PDT by Skepolitic ( )
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The Lancet has a credibility issue on this. In Feb 2020 the Lancet published a letter to the editor saying that Covid could not have been man made. This letter was organized by Peter Daszak, the head of Ecohealth Alliance that got NIAID grants and funded GOH in Wuhan. The Lancet did not disclose the conflict of interest to its readers.

Origin of Covid ā€” Following the Clues (use private browsing if necessary)
COVID Conspiracy Laid Bare by Dr. Anthony Fauciā€™s email Correspondence

If GOH and a lab accident had nothing to do with Covid, then why did everyone who would need to cover their tracks if it did happen that way, start covering their tracks?

40 posted on 09/19/2021 12:11:47 PM PDT by Widget Jr
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