Posted on 07/06/2021 9:49:22 AM PDT by fishtank
the bible does not say pi=3. plenty of variables to consider.
But, Genesis clearly says Adam lived to 930 years and then died. (pi not a factor)
It does.
was Adam literal and did he literally live 960 years and then die?
sorry, 930 years and then died.
Yep 930 years. The numbers in Genesis 5 are part of what we use to calculate the 6000 years since Adam.
I agree.
Bwest says NOPE, it’s all figurative. God putting those numbers in there means absolutely nothing and his Christianity is just fine (paraphrasing of course).
Adam lived a total of 930 literal years and the earth was created in 6 literal days. Those are the facts.
Feel free to believe what you want. I choose to use the brain that God blessed me with to better understand the mechanism of His creation.
I have looked t the numbers of the genealogy of Christ and the one potential large error is how old was Terah when Abram was born. I did not find a first born son and I don’t think Abraham was first born. If you have looked at it, tell me what you think. Don’t forget Gen 12:4 and Acts 7:2-4.
Correct! A person with a reference Bible will see a footnote the first time Barabbas is mentioned. His name was Yeshua Bar Abba and you are correct that means "Yeshua the son of the Father". The picture God drew here is there had to be identical goats brought to the Temple on Atonement. Jesus was fulfilling "The Lamb of God" type and shadow sacrifice for the individual people on Passover. But since Jesus would be gone for Atonement, He had to fulfill Atonement for the nation of Israel. Atonement is for the whole nation of Israel. The High Priest needed identical goats, one to carry away the sins of Israel called the "scapegoat" and the other was called "The Lord's goat to die for these sins. One goat would get it's throat slashed and the other had the sins put on his head by the High Priest represented by a scarlet ribbon tied to his horns and run out of town. Jesus had to become as bad a sinner as the thief and murderer Barabbas to play this part. Jesus was beaten in the Temple by the laying on of hands and then Barabbas was sent away a free man. The picture was a death brought the goat back to life to live free forever, but in real life it take 2 goats that spiritually look exactly alike. It would loose it's type and shadow if one goat was spotted and the other was black so they were made identical.
I'm trying to understand what his point is but don't get it yet. I think he believes that if he can find something questionable in Scripture the whole thing is put in doubt. He is willing to hang his salvation and eternal fate on whether pi is 3.1416 or 3. If he can hold pi to 3.1416 then the whole Bible is figurative. He's arguing hoping we don't know what we are talking about. It's like arguing with a child.
I don't see how the age of Abraham has anything to do with the genealogy of Christ. It would if we are looking at the 6000 year mark.
Here are some genealogies more relevant.Gen 5:1, Gen 6:9, Gen 10:1, Gen 11:10. Gen 11:27 would have more to do with what you are looking at, Gen 25:12, Gen 25:19, Gen 36:1, and Gen 36:9.You can add the ages of the genealogies and you will get fairly accurate numbers to Christ, then add 2021 years and there's your number. One thing to keep in mind is the Bible used 360 day years and a whole month was added in periodically for Leap Years.
To tell you the truth, I trust what Rabbi's say. They have studied Scripture for literally thousands of years. Every question has been asked and answered by many wise men. They have the Talmud and the Mishneh for references. God has blinded them until the fullness of the Gentiles is complete so they missed their Messiah.
Jews say the earth was created on Tisheri 1 5781 years ago. Its possible they might be off a couple of years as they were in slavery in Egypt and Babylon and may have some miscounting involved. The reason Jews start a day in the evening and end in the afternoon is Genesis 1 says the evening and the morning was day one, two, three, ect. The true God of the universe is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Many of the gods Christians have chosen don't agree with the Old Testament God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Abraham's God said many times He created the world in 6 days, but many today pooh pooh that. If a Jew tells me it's the year 5781, then I figure it's pretty close.
Pertinent question,....when and why were the Jews blinded to their Messiah?
Back in Daniel 9, the 70 week prophesy begins with 69 weeks of years from the day Nehemiah was dispatched to repair the walls in Jerusalem. We actually know that exact date converted to the Gregorian calendar was March 14, 445BC. If you count 69 weeks of years that would be 360x69=173,880 days. That includes corrections for the Gregorian calendar corrections and leap year corrections of 116 days. In short, a Rabbi should have been watching for Jesus to announce His Kingship 173,880 days after Nehemiah went to Jerusalem. That day was what is labeled in most Bibles as the "Triumphal Entry".
Zec 9:9 “Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your King is coming to you; He is just and having salvation, Lowly and riding on a donkey, A colt, the foal of a donkey.
Luk 19:37 Then, as He was now drawing near the descent of the Mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works they had seen,
Luk 19:38 saying: "'Blessed is the King who comes in the name of the Lord!' Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!"
Luk 19:39 And some of the Pharisees called to Him from the crowd, "Teacher, rebuke Your disciples."
Luk 19:40 But He answered and said to them, "I tell you that if these should keep silent, the stones would immediately cry out."
Instead of celebrating the revelation of the King coming to the Temple, the Pharisee's weren't watching for Him. They knew the exact day he was supposed to come, but they yelled at Him to quiet down His followers. Jesus' reply meant that even the rocks knew this day was coming and it had to happen no matter what. Right after this exchange Jesus wept over the city.
Luk 19:41 Now as He drew near, He saw the city and wept over it,
Luk 19:42 saying, "If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes.
Luk 19:43 For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side,
Luk 19:44 and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation."
In verse 42 Jesus hid Himself from Israels eyes and then he condemned the city and Temple for destruction in 70 AD. After they missed their prophesy from Daniel on the exact day predicted, Jesus turned to the Gentile Church until Jews say "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord as back in Luk 19"38. They will have another chance but it will be in the Last days. Until then they are blind to see and understand who their Messiah is.
In my eyes, it means we as humans, as well as animals/mammals/creatures in general, tend to be highly adaptable to our surroundings. We develop certain habits and traits that tend to be shaped on our surroundings and, over time, that could very well lead to physical changes. (Look at the average size of man over history/geolocation). Not any major changes, and we certainly wouldn't be developing into different species. I don't believe that humans descended from apes, obviously.
The Bible is true, we just do not know how it can be true on everything, yet. Starting with the axiom that the Word of God is The Bible from Genesis to the Revelation allows the faith mind to read and wonder, if we are honest with ourselves. God is not offended when we ask 'How can this be reconciled with this other passage?' If we have started with the axiom that it is all truth then asking that question is not an insult, it is an awe toward our God's Creativity. What parent is offended by questions from His children?
You really don’t understand this? Pi is an irrational, transcendental number, a non-repeating decimal. The Bible says nothing about roundoff or estimation. Instead it tells us that the circumference of a circle divided by its diameter is 3, not pi.
My question:is that calculation literally true, or is further interpretation of unwritten meaning required?
Anyone who says “descended from apes” does not even try to understand what the TOE is about.
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My answer, in agreement with the SDA bible commentary, probably 130 years old.
SDA bible commentary: Genesis 11:26
26. Terah lived seventy years. This text seems to imply that Abram, Nahor, and Haran were triplets, born when their father Terah was 70 years old. That such was not the case is evident from the following considerations. Terah died in Haran at the age of 205 years (ch. 11:32). Abram journeyed to Canaan at the age of 75 (ch. 12:4). Abram’s call to leave Haran came after his father’s death, as explicitly stated in Acts 7:4
Abram cannot then have been older than 75 at the death of his father, and Terah was at least 130 years old when Abram was born. Therefore, ch. 11:26 means that Terah began to beget sons when he was seventy years old. Youngest of the three sons, Abram is mentioned first because of his importance as ancestor of the Hebrews. Although it is not certain which of the two remaining sons of Terah, Nahor or Haran, was the elder, the fact that Nahor married Haran’s daughter (ch. 11:29) may point to Haran as Nahor’s senior (cf. on ch. 5:32).
Abram. “Father of elevation” or “exalted father,” pointing to his honored position as ancestor of God’s chosen people. His name was later changed by God to Abraham (ch. 17:5). The name appears in Egyptian records as that of an Amorite ruler of a Palestinian city at the very time Abram lived. It appears also in a contemporary cuneiform document from Babylonia, showing that the name was not uncommon.
Nahor. This son of Terah was named after his grandfather.
Haran. This name has no meaning in Hebrew. It is similar to Haran, Charan, the city where Terah settled. The name of the city, related to an Assyrian root word meaning “highway,” may indicate its location astride one of the principal trade routes between Mesopotamia and the Mediterranean.
As with the antediluvian chronology, the Samaritan Pentateuch and the LXX credit patriarchs from the Flood to the birth of Abram with considerably longer lives than do the Hebrew text and English translations based upon it (see on ch. 5:32). Whereas the KJV has 352 years between the Flood and Abram’s birth, the Same LXX, 1,132 or 1,232 (according to variant readings; see p. 180).
The LXX insertion of Cainan between Arphaxad and Salah may, however, be justified. In this the LXX is confirmed by Luke, who also lists Cainan in this position (Luke 3:35, 36). In spite of apparent disagreement between Moses (and 1 Chron. 1:24) on the one hand and Luke and the LXX on the other, no real difficulty exists. The Scriptures contain numerous and striking instances of the omission of names from genealogical lists. In tracing his own ancestry back to Aaron, Ezra for instance, omits at least six names (see Ezra 7:1–5; cf. 1 Chron. 6:3–15).
Centuries later Matthew’s genealogy of Jesus omits four kings of Judah, and possibly other ancestors of our Lord (see on Matt. 1:8, 17). Moses’ possible omission of Cainan from the list of Gen. 11:10–26 should not therefore be considered an inaccuracy, but rather an example of what was a common practice among Hebrew writers.
Whatever may be the case, the list as given by Moses must be considered at least fairly complete. Ellen G. White refers (PP 125) to an “unbroken line” of righteous men— from Adam to Shem—who passed down the knowledge of God that Abram inherited. This has been taken by some to imply that Abram must have been instructed by Shem personally; if so, then Abram was born some years before Shem’s death, which is dated 500 years after the Flood.
Those who arrive at this conclusion from the above passage infer that it upholds the Hebrew against both the Samaritan and LXX chronologies of the period, and renders impossible any considerable number of omissions from Moses’ genealogical list. Until more definite information becomes available the chronology of events prior to the birth of Abram should be considered approximate. With the advent of the patriarch Abram we reach a more solid foundation on which to build a chronology.
SDA bible commentary (Genesis)
https://ia801007.us.archive.org/21/items/SdaBibleCommentary1980/SdaBc-1%20%2801%29%20Genesis.pdf
Thanks
Just as I expected. No response.
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