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Insane Lumber Prices Show How Governments Break Economies
Reason ^ | 6.9.2021 | J.D. Tuccille

Posted on 06/09/2021 9:29:36 AM PDT by Heartlander

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1 posted on 06/09/2021 9:29:36 AM PDT by Heartlander
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To: Heartlander

Pssst. the government wants inflation. It monetizes the debt.


2 posted on 06/09/2021 9:39:26 AM PDT by cuban leaf (We killed our economy and damaged our culture. In 2021 we will pine for the salad days of 2020.)
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To: Heartlander
But this is government we're talking about here, which makes the premise of Hanlon's razor (framed earlier and slightly differently by Robert A. Heinlein) more persuasive: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

That aphorism was more persuasive pre-Marxist America. In today’s political climate we can reasonably attribute this state of affairs to malice.

3 posted on 06/09/2021 9:39:55 AM PDT by TimSkalaBim
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To: Heartlander

The author is late to the game. In recent days the price of lumber has been declining-—maybe not yet at Home Depot, but on the futures exchange it has.


4 posted on 06/09/2021 9:41:50 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: TimSkalaBim

Malice is a perfectly acceptable explanation for me. There is something that stalks the land that goes about cloaked, but with a total loathing for anything that is part of the American Spirit, and if they can, they get get leverage on some commodity or service, causing it to be jacked up far beyond any plausible market fluctuation, and thus create even a small degree of uncertainty, if not a wider chaos.

Life becomes a crap shoot as we descend ever further into dystopia.


5 posted on 06/09/2021 9:46:42 AM PDT by alloysteel ( Cows don't give milk. You have to work for it.)
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To: cuban leaf

As it devalues the dollar. Soon, a 100 dollar bill will buy a gallon of gas.


6 posted on 06/09/2021 9:48:20 AM PDT by immadashell (New Planned Parenthood slogan: Black Babies’ Lives Don't Matter!)
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To: alloysteel

You’re not wrong. They hate us.

I love a good crap shoot though, I’m an excellent shot heh.


7 posted on 06/09/2021 9:49:59 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: cuban leaf

> Pssst. the government wants inflation. It monetizes the debt. <

The Federal government (D and R alike) has painted itself into a corner. As you noted, the only way they can begin to pay off the debt is with inflated dollars.

But I’m guessing we’ll see higher interest rates too. That will make it expensive for Congress to borrow more money. (And they will borrow more, regardless.)

Where’s Calvin Coolidge when you really need him?


8 posted on 06/09/2021 9:51:26 AM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: Heartlander

Just a blurb on TV that our local produce prices have gone up 400% since Biden took office. Plus we’ve having shortages again—meat and dairy among others.


9 posted on 06/09/2021 9:52:00 AM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: immadashell

Soon, a 100 dollar bill will buy a gallon of gas.


Or a silver dime...


10 posted on 06/09/2021 9:52:06 AM PDT by cuban leaf (We killed our economy and damaged our culture. In 2021 we will pine for the salad days of 2020.)
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To: Heartlander
so you get a homebuild loan for $XXX and then materials goto $XXX*X, now what?
11 posted on 06/09/2021 9:52:13 AM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. P144:1)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter
The author is late to the game. In recent days the price of lumber has been declining

Good to hear. One section of the hardwood flooring in my living room needs to be replaced, and I was very concerned about both prices AND availability.

12 posted on 06/09/2021 9:53:24 AM PDT by AFB-XYZ (Stand up, or bend over)
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“While former President Donald Trump is often rightly criticized for his protectionist policies”

Protectionist policies. The battle cry of the true libertarian. Screw America First, we’re just one big worldwide marketplace.


13 posted on 06/09/2021 9:53:44 AM PDT by NotSoFreeStater (If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice)
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To: cuban leaf

The leftist will be dumped soon enough and neutered next year.


14 posted on 06/09/2021 9:54:44 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Leaning Right

There was a great video I saw that talked about using inflation to your advantage.

The idea is that BEFORE it takes off, refinance your home with a really cheap FIXED RATE loan and pay as little as possible on it. Then, when inflation is going to the moon, take a marble off your desk and sell it to a little kid for inflated dollars, then pay off your house with those dollars.

When it took a wheelbarrow load of marks in Germany to buy a loaf of bread, that same wheelbarrow could also have been used to pay off an existing fixed rate loan made before the inflation kicked in.


15 posted on 06/09/2021 9:56:27 AM PDT by cuban leaf (We killed our economy and damaged our culture. In 2021 we will pine for the salad days of 2020.)
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To: Heartlander
"When government officials fumble around with things they don't understand while pretending they're making improvements, they leave the rest of us picking up the tab for the breakage—"

Substitute "Economies are" for "Technology is":

"Technology is dominated by two types of people: those who understand what they do not manage, and those who manage what they do not understand." ~ Putt's Law

Call it nully's Law, if you must...

16 posted on 06/09/2021 9:57:01 AM PDT by null and void (When you put bad people in charge expect bad things to happen, often in a spectacular and sudden way)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

That happened a few months ago too, but we never saw it at the retail outlets. And then it went up again.

But yes. I need to frame the walls in my new “pole barn” shop but I’m holding off on buying the lumber until this thing passes. I don’t need to finish it that bad, so I’m not paying top dollar to do it.


17 posted on 06/09/2021 9:58:04 AM PDT by cuban leaf (We killed our economy and damaged our culture. In 2021 we will pine for the salad days of 2020.)
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To: alloysteel
Malice is a perfectly acceptable explanation for me.

"Hanlon's razor (framed earlier and slightly differently by Robert A. Heinlein) more persuasive: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.""

IIRC, Heinlein said "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity, but don't rule out malice!"

18 posted on 06/09/2021 10:00:38 AM PDT by null and void (When you put bad people in charge expect bad things to happen, often in a spectacular and sudden way)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

Something I saw at my local lowes is weird, and it’s true today. A 2x4x10 is $14.16, but a “SEVERE WEATHER” treated 2x4x10 is $.60 CHEAPER.

The word from day one was that treated lumber is what is getting hammered. Apparently not now.
https://www.lowes.com/search?searchTerm=2x4x10


19 posted on 06/09/2021 10:01:12 AM PDT by cuban leaf (We killed our economy and damaged our culture. In 2021 we will pine for the salad days of 2020.)
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To: Heartlander

I don’t believe the excuse that mills closed in 2008, I don’t believe the excuse that mill workers were not working due to Covid, and I don’t believe the excuse that people built too many home outdoor decks.

I’d bet that the production of lumber over 2020 and YTD 2021 has been at least the same as 2019, probably even more.

That would mean that someone is buying a lot of wood that was not before.

It’s not industry, they are not building twice as many houses.

Only nation states could buy that much wood.

And it’s not hard to figure out. People that work in the industry would know, but I haven’t seen a report on it.


20 posted on 06/09/2021 10:02:58 AM PDT by BusterDog
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