Posted on 04/14/2021 9:22:56 AM PDT by Shadylake
Agree the only applicable subsection is (1). If the jury believes that she intended to taze the victim (as most agree from the bodycam video), then they could find that she did not consciously take the action that caused Wright's death. Excerpt of manslaughter 2 below.
(1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another; or
Another dead criminal who tried to flee to avoid an arrest on an outstanding warrant. How many lives were saved by taking his?
Yes it is but it doesn't carry the death penalty. Even if it did the police would not be the judge, jury and executioner. That would be up to a court of law.
Those that say this is ok because he resisted are actually perpetuating this problem. Resisting arrest is the most abused charge in existence. Without camera's rolling any officer can claim "he resisted" and "I feared for my life" and kill anyone and get away with it. Wake up dimwits. The police are not allowed to kill people because someone does not comply with them.
Ask yourself, if the officer did what she was supposed to do and this man was simply apprehended and charged with resisting arrest would he have received the death penalty if convicted?
Facts don't seem to matter.
1) Notice how precisely I worded this: Is fleeing an officer at a stop still illegal?
I did not say I believe it is okay to shoot and try to kill a fleeing suspect.
2) I trust that you did not mean to include me in your admonition to “wake up, dimwits” in your 2nd paragraph.
Best,
F B
A violent animal tried to flee police and lead them on a high-speed chase. If not for that the officer wouldn't have been forced to take action.
Where did you get that idea?
Yes but she never would have had to shoot if the violent animal hadn't tried to flee police and lead them on a high-speed chase. That matters.
If one causes an action by the police that leads to one's death, that is on the person that took the action.
And, it was certainly a life threatening situation. Who knows if Wright had a gun in the car. A high speed chase would have endangered other drivers.
No not directed at anyone in particular just at the dimwitted belief that this was ok and it was totally avoidable if he just complied. We have so called conservatives that make statements all the time to the effect that not following a "lawful order" from a police officer is justification for lethal force. These people are nuts.
I'm not sure how many people even on this thread have taken the time to look at the video. I have looked at it multiple times at full speed and as slow as 1/4 speed and it's enlightening to say the least.
The video clearly shows the officer had her weapon deployed well before the fatal shot was fired. Then when viewed at slow speed it's clear the officer had her finger inside the trigger guard of her firearm well before the fatal shot. She probably had her finger on the trigger the entire time with another officer in front of her wrestling with the suspect. This was disaster waiting to happen and had little if anything to do with this guy deciding to try to get away. This was not a felony stop that I'm aware of. The suspect was not known to be armed and dangerous nor was the suspect armed. So the first question I would ask is why did this officer have her firearm deployed in the first place?
Those that don't see a problem should take time and watch this video of the Windsor Virgina stop of an Army Lt. Had this guy not remained calm and refused to comply with conflicting commands being shouted at him in violent aggression he most likely would not have survived this traffic stop. This video is a text book example of what is wrong with the police. They are escalating when they should be doing the opposite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktiozJt7WJQ
Excellent observations. A nervous officer who reaches for the wrong item and holds her finger on the trigger is indeed increasing the chances of unnecessary death----especially in this atmosphere in the country---and her own region of MN. Not a time for escalation.
And would it be so bad to sort of let an expired license tab go for a few days--until the riot season is over? Somebody told my buddy the police in MI also have a right to check the amount of light over the license plate (usually bulb too dirty or burned out so can't read it). He said with his luck they'd probably stop him for that someday.
If the guy didn't resist arrest and try to drive off, I highly doubt he would have been shot. I'm of course not defending the shot.
This was not a felony stop that I'm aware of. The suspect was not known to be armed and dangerous nor was the suspect armed.
Wasn't there a warrant on this guy for armed robbery?
Does not appear to be armed robbery. It actually sounded pretty weak to me.
The responsibility for this mans death resides solely with the police. The warrant is irrelevant. Lethal force was not justified, no question.
Does not appear to be armed robbery. It actually sounded pretty weak to me.
Not armed robbery? Weak?
How is first degree aggravated robbery not armed robbery and weak?
Daunte Wright accused of choking and robbing woman at gunpoint, had arrest warrant
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The victim asked him, "Are you serious?" to which he allegedly responded, "Give me the f---ing money, I know you have it," according to the court documents.
When she asked again if he was serious, he allegedly told her, "I’m not playing around."
Wright then allegedly choked the woman while trying to pull the cash out from under her bra, where she had tucked it away.
She reportedly screamed at them to get out of her apartment, telling them that the cops were close. Wright allegedly told her he would shoot her and said, "Give me the money and we will leave, give me the money and we will go."
He allegedly tried to choke her a second time and tried to take her money, according to the court documents. Driver allegedly told her to give Wright the money. The two men then left the apartment, got into a white Cadillac, and left the scene without the money. The woman later identified Wright and Driver via photo line-ups.
I didn't say that the force was justified.
I did say that if the Wright didn't resist, then he most likely would have been alive today.
Those are two separate ideas. You shouldn't conflate them.
Meanwhile, the person who murdered Ashley Babbitt, an unarmed woman whose only crime was being a white Trump supporter, will skate without even being identified.
I agree he certainly had a better chance had he not been fighting with the officers. That being said when you see the video it's clear this was an AD that could have occurred at any moment even if he did not resist. The officer had her weapon deployed and her finger on the trigger. The AD could have still occurred in any number of ways. The question to me is why deploy her firearm to begin with?
The problem I see is that many people believe that lethal force was justified simply because this guy resisted and had a warrant. In other words the criteria is warrant, resisting arrest, attempt to flee, bang, dead, good shoot.
Way to large of a swath of the public see's this as okay and that is a big part of the problem. It's not ok, not even close.
Not me.
I assume you also think the same way about the Babbitt case?
No, it's a RACISM issue. How dare any cop try and arrest a black perp.
Of course but that case is much closer to murder. Possibly even premeditated murder.
I totally agree. They want a free pass for all the year’s of slavery and being ‘marginalized” (in their eyes). It’s all whiteys fault the reason they are the way they are.
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