Posted on 02/10/2021 5:40:16 AM PST by Politically Correct
The question as to who would win such a war will depend on whether the Army (including the National Guard) and Marines stay loyal to the Federal government or considerable portions split off to join the insurgency, as happened in Croatia in the 1990s. Whites from blue collar and rural backgrounds, especially from the South, form the bulk of combat units.
But some random raid on one house?
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller
His is an interesting history, and I don’t agree with all of his positions and responses.
This is why the libs hate the idea of nationalism and what they think Trump stands for.
It does point out that we have to be clear on what we are fighting for and get beyond assumptions. I am against nationalism too. Maybe that is our starting point with some libs and a point of unification.
What I want is a return to the constitution and states rights. Can a lib argue with that? Many will but not all.
.........with all due respect, I THINK you underestimate the anger in the country. The feds might get away with 60 guys showing up one time but the next time they could very well be facing 600 armed citizens(like Coeur D Alene, Idaho or the Ammon Bundy led standoff in California).
Here’s a link to six other times that the feds tried to throw their weight around:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/photos/2016/01/history-standoff-militia-government
It's not so much an assumption that it must wind up that way, but once you're in that situation, it becomes a very real risk. I was always brought up to not go looking for trouble because you'll usually find it when you do. If trouble becomes unavoidable (e.g. somebody's breaking into my home in the middle of the night), then overwhelming force is the only reasonable response.
"My major point is, now is the time to form relationships, not stand individually. That is what our founders did at this stage."
I do agree here. We should definitely be uniting around principles, and I agree that there are many local, state, and Federal gun control laws that are absolutely unconstitutional and unenforceable within the law. But rather than risking direct violent confrontation, I think the smart play for now is to unite around making it as difficult as possible to enforce those laws. Legal challenges, refusal to cooperate, etc. all drain resources used to enforce those unconstitutional infringements, but they don't risk violence.
The feds can show up in force and they can hold an area at will in force. When they leave they no longer control the area and they can’t muster enough forces to control the vast areas of the US. Even if they recall the entire Army and Marine corp and mobilize all federal law enforcement they are going to come up short.
The National Guard is an entirely different story in itself. You are going to send cousin Fred to disarm cousin George in the next county and if need be shoot him, don’t think so. Also once you start shooting and killing civilians and you can expect unarmed family members in this process, whether intentional or by accident you open up a whole new can of worms: retaliation, it’s human nature and it will happen. God I hope this doesn’t happen for everyone’s sake!
This is exactly why I don’t have any plans to show up at a Bundy Ranch style confrontation. Because that can turn into Waco -real- quick. And I don’t want to be there for the next Waco.
The Newton County Prosecuting Attorney was my best friend in law school...lol
He can order them disarmed and or kick their sixty asses the hell out of his county. Sheriff’s have a lot of power.
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