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US can kill its own citizens without review when state secrets are involved, DOJ lawyer argues
ABA Journal ^
| 18 Nov 2020
| Debra Cassens Weiss
Posted on 11/27/2020 8:24:29 AM PST by Theoria
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To: OldGoatCPO
It is illegal for the US government to target an American citizen anywhere in the world, period. If he had taken up arms against the US, he would no longer be a US citizen. But he did not.
See my post above. Outside of US territory, he is NOT considered a USPERS unless there is specific intelligence that says he is. He may not have taken up arms against these US, but he was in communication with sufficient terrorists to be generically identified as a target of higher priority than Taliban Joe.
To: Lurkinanloomin
Then they can kill themselves. After finishing My list.
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posted on
11/27/2020 10:47:39 PM PST
by
mabarker1
((Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!! A fraud, a hypocrite, a liar. I'm a member of Congress !!!!)
To: al baby
Sounds fun.
You came up with that all by yourself? Weird.
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posted on
11/28/2020 9:03:46 AM PST
by
Vitesse
To: dp0622
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posted on
11/28/2020 9:12:42 AM PST
by
ZULU
(Impeach John Roberts for corruption. SOROS IS "SPARTACUS" BOOKER'S LANISTA.)
To: Theoria
It is shocking how quickly, even under Trump, we are acting like the Soviet Union.
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posted on
11/28/2020 9:15:21 AM PST
by
Lazamataz
("We beat the Soviet Union, then we became them." - 2005, my quote. I never knew how prescient I was.)
To: Svartalfiar
Are you a lawyer or did just stay at the Holiday Inn?
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posted on
11/28/2020 9:39:48 PM PST
by
OldGoatCPO
(No Caitiff Choir of Angles will sing for me)
To: OldGoatCPO
I’ve been through the military IO class. While it doesn’t get into target authorization, we did get a bunch of regs on intel and imagery handling. Any intelligence collection on a known USPERS is a big nono unless you get SecDef approval. We’re not even supposed to use drones to help the local Sheriff’s office go hunt down the dumb kids that got lost in the woods.
To: Svartalfiar
It is not cut and dry and constitutionally there have been cases argued by the Obama Administration that it was legal if a citizen is designated a terrorist abroad. However it is still situational and there are due process considerations in each case. AUMF against US Citizens is not clear cut and there have been.
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posted on
11/28/2020 10:46:11 PM PST
by
OldGoatCPO
(No Caitiff Choir of Angles will sing for me)
To: OldGoatCPO
It is not cut and dry and constitutionally there have been cases argued by the Obama Administration that it was legal if a citizen is designated a terrorist abroad. However it is still situational and there are due process considerations in each case. AUMF against US Citizens is not clear cut and there have been.
True, I'm not arguing any of that part, I haven't had much experience with force authorization above Troop level. I was only talking about the intel collection side, his accusations for why he thinks he was targeted.
To: Svartalfiar
To be perfectly honest, I think he is full of BS. However, it is wrong when a federal agency tells a court to piss off. They are placing themselves above the law.
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posted on
11/29/2020 10:51:30 AM PST
by
OldGoatCPO
(No Caitiff Choir of Angles will sing for me)
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