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If Americans Can No Longer Trust Our Elections, We’re In Big Trouble
The Federalist ^ | 11/17/2020 | Willis L. Krumholz

Posted on 11/17/2020 7:15:07 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: Dan in Wichita

It marks the end of our republic.

Yes indeed.

41 posted on 11/17/2020 8:13:34 AM PST by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel.d)
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To: Amendment10

The 17th and 19th were deadly to our republic.


42 posted on 11/17/2020 8:18:54 AM PST by polymuser (A socialist is a communist without the power to take everything from their citizens...yet.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks for posting this absolutely superb article. It’s long, but is by far the best summary of what happened, where we are now, and the likely result going forward. Yes, we have reached the point of no return. The lust for power of “Left” (umbrella term for the multiple offshoots of Marxism) knows no bounds. Historically, the Left has only been stopped by either a credible show of force or by force itself.


43 posted on 11/17/2020 8:20:47 AM PST by Avalon Memories (I literally hate Democrats for what they're doing to our country -- attempting to turn it Communist)
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To: Dan in Wichita

More importantly, if politicians no longer fear being voted out of office for their heinous actions, true monsters are born.

Some of these governors are evidence of that.


Yep... look at Michigan’s Whitmer, for instance. The more she locks that state down, the more popular she becomes.


44 posted on 11/17/2020 8:23:39 AM PST by ScottinVA (First, let’s deal with the election; then we’ll deal with BLM.)
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To: Irenic

We have been in trouble. As much of a champion as Trump was for us, he was cast as a villain for half the country by most of the media.

The takeover of academia, media, bureaucracies, intel, the diplomatic corps, Hollyweird, and big tech by the left was cemented in many ways by the Trump presidency. As much as we love him they hate him.

This election was the best chance to thwart the takeover and along came a virus from China, the archenemy of Trump, and it formed the excuse to “change the election” and here we are.

Trust is completely gone now for what I would argue is at least half the country. The institutions meant to protect against such a failure (the courts, law enforcement, and media) have or will fail because it is “Trump.”

The left went “all in” and they succeeded, but when they scrambled to “win at all costs” they had to go much further than they thought they would to win. They left a paper trail and mountain of evidence that will cement our assertion that the election was stolen. They destroyed the trust we had and like a cheated spouse, it may never come back.

At this point, the Trump team could have sworn affidavits detailing the “big steal” and the new mantra by the left is “well, there was some cheating, but it was not enough to change the election result we wanted.”

That is scary.

P.S. - they have told us throughout 2020 that we must follow the science. They always tell us we must follow the science on climate change.

Math and statistics are science and THEY say this election result in Milwaukee, Detroit, Atlanta, Philly, and others is simply NOT possible.

Can anyone explain to me how/why Cleveland had 51% turn-out and Milwaukee had close to 90%? Can anyone explain to me how the difference in vote numbers between Milwaukee and Cleveland were so different?

No. The science says one or the other is statistically impossible. Too bad the left has corrupted science also.


45 posted on 11/17/2020 8:24:17 AM PST by volunbeer (Find the truth and accept it - anything else is delusional)
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To: READINABLUESTATE

“now what?”

I’ve got a very bad feeling about that. There have been hundreds of false “BOOM” reports the past four years that promised justice against the coup plotters, but nothing happened to hold them to account. Not one damn thing.

The nature of “BOOM” events may change soon.


46 posted on 11/17/2020 8:27:27 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom ("Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out" -- David Horowitz)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

There had better be some big booms soon or every election from here out will be a democrat runaway.


47 posted on 11/17/2020 8:29:19 AM PST by Texas resident (Biden and Kamala are China's bitches)
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To: polymuser

So was the 14th. 14th has been used to wreck the 9th and 10th since it came into being. Penumbras and emanations my a$$.


48 posted on 11/17/2020 8:30:32 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: volunbeer

Can anyone explain to me how/why Cleveland had 51% turn-out and Milwaukee had close to 90%?

Yes, Ohio requires voter registration 30 days in advance. Wisconsin has same day registration. One ward in Milwaukee had 640 registered voters. About 500 showed up on election day (numbers are not provided) The rest, 700+ came and registered that day. They probably voted Biden, and Biden got a majority of the votes. IIRC it was 60/40 Biden to Trump. 202% turnout.

Did all those extra same-day registrants live in that ward? Unlikely. Probably a lot of fraudulent registrations. But their ballots are in the same pile as the rest of the ballots. So the question is, what can we do about it?

49 posted on 11/17/2020 8:32:02 AM PST by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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To: SeekAndFind

Mail in ballots allow dem precinct captains to collect ballots for their candidates through coercion. They use to give them a pack of smokes and get them on a bus. Now they go to section 8 housing and simply vote the ballots, tens of thousands.

I’ll bet people voted and didn’t even know they voted. They need to investigate THAT.


50 posted on 11/17/2020 8:32:35 AM PST by 1Old Pro ( )
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To: Vigilanteman

. . . and we are all supposed to believe the same media that pushed the Russian collusion hoax that these elections were conducted with little or no fraud involved.

"There is no Humper Biden laptop from Hell..."

51 posted on 11/17/2020 8:32:49 AM PST by kiryandil (Chris Wallace: Because someone has to drive the Clown Car)
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To: ScottinVA; polymuser

As long as Michigan continues to embrace election fraud, Whitmer has no fear of being voted out. She can do anything she damn well pleases and she knows it. Sadly, the same thing is true for many other states.


52 posted on 11/17/2020 8:36:02 AM PST by Dan in Wichita
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To: palmer

what can we do about it?


As individuals? Not much. We can financially support organizations trying to do something (since our taxpayer organizations are doing nothing).

The courts are the legal remedy, but the courts do not want to touch this with a 10’ pole based on what we have seen so it is unlikely we will see them act (another blow to the nation).

That is the problem. We (the law abiding) want a legal remedy, but as you correctly state the theft was so blatant and they sabotaged any attempt at maintain chain of custody on the ballots and applications allowing an independent review that there is only one real remedy - toss the votes. Who could do this? State legislatures. A bunch of politicians are going to act with bravery and resolve when the courts will not? Good luck there.

The media continues to beat the drum that Biden won and the court cases simply delay the inevitable. The media has already admitted that there is no election integrity, but it is not enough to change their preferred narrative.


53 posted on 11/17/2020 8:46:37 AM PST by volunbeer (Find the truth and accept it - anything else is delusional)
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To: volunbeer

“They left a paper trail and mountain of evidence that will cement our assertion that the election was stolen.”

To any sentient being, this is as obvious as the nose on your face. But the thoroughly corrupt courts refuse to acknowledge the obvious.


54 posted on 11/17/2020 8:54:40 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom ("Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out" -- David Horowitz)
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To: rbmillerjr

Reference mark.


55 posted on 11/17/2020 9:02:54 AM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: volunbeer

Wisconsin probably had 900k same-day registrations based on turnout comparisons. A court case would have to show a large proportion to be fraudulent. I’m not sure the court would have a remedy, maybe proportions of votes in wards. But the fraudsters are not stupid, they went to Trump wards. The state legislatures won’t do anything for Trump. They want the leftovers from the Blue State Bailout.


56 posted on 11/17/2020 9:18:34 AM PST by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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To: SeekAndFind

This article really is a textbook example of our problem.

- "IF" the people can't trust elections (are you kidding)

- "IF" This fraud did occur (are you kidding)

There is no hard proof of election fraud? (are you kidding)

I would ask this author or whoever is still looking for "proof". Exactly what "proof" are you missing? With the totality of what we have if we don't know for sure massive election fraud occurred then how would we ever be convinced? What would positive proof look like? I think it's pretty obvious we have set some standard of proof that can NEVER be met.

Folks the problem is we are in denial of the truth. Election fraud has been proven many times over. We are just refusing to accept what our own eyes see. We have become so open minded our brains fell out.

Then to top it all off the author wants biden to do a complete audit of the election? Ha ha ha ha

If he did that he would only show the world the election was stolen.


57 posted on 11/17/2020 10:50:42 AM PST by precisionshootist (uic)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have always been a follower of the law, rules and regulations (with some exceptions). I was always told that you should change the laws if you are opposed to them. Don’t riot and create chaos. Change the laws. The laws are changed thru elections. But now if the courts, including the Supreme Court, do not uphold the constitutional requirement of legal elections then what alternative do I and others like me have to get the laws changed? Even when we are in the majority the left steals the elections.

Then I guess we are left with little alternatives.


58 posted on 11/17/2020 10:52:45 AM PST by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.(DT4POTUS))
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To: volunbeer

"P.S. - they have told us throughout 2020 that we must follow the science. They always tell us we must follow the science on climate change. Math and statistics are science and THEY say this election result in Milwaukee, Detroit, Atlanta, Philly, and others is simply NOT possible. Can anyone explain to me how/why Cleveland had 51% turn-out and Milwaukee had close to 90%? Can anyone explain to me how the difference in vote numbers between Milwaukee and Cleveland were so different? No. The science says one or the other is statistically impossible. Too bad the left has corrupted science also."

Perfect! you nailed it.

We already have the proof this election was stolen. The left is just refusing to accept it.

The Republic is gone. Now what?

59 posted on 11/17/2020 10:56:08 AM PST by precisionshootist (uic)
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To: SeekAndFind

If Biden is elected, I’m done voting in any elections as my vote is worthless.


60 posted on 11/17/2020 11:13:47 AM PST by moovova
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