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On Election Night, the Real Winner Was Drugs
Reason ^ | Nov. 4, 2020 | Elizabeth Nolan Brown

Posted on 11/04/2020 3:45:37 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian

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To: Zhang Fei

I’d argue a century ago there was enough of an influx of immigrants from Europe to replace any druggies, who at that time had no social/free medical nets to rely on and whose life expectancy was exceedingly short as social outcasts. Additionally, Christianity was widespread 100 years ago in the 92% white population, and a natural deterrent to drug use. This is still reflected today in the rate of drug use in rural areas (5%) over urban areas (20%), with the highest rate being among those 18-25 (39%). The eras can’t be compared - apples to oranges.

Considering street heroin is being cut with fentynl more often than not, compliments of China, there won’t be the long-term heroin addicts of the 60s - they will die. If the number of alcohol-related deaths doesn’t do it, the opoid overdoses that devastated the midwest should have been a lesson on ‘legalized’ drugs. Never mind the 800,000 drug overdoses in the last 10 years, and the 20 million ‘current or former’ drug addicts (with heroin surpassing cocaine by 150%). Then there’s the long-term effects of meth on the heart. And never mind the worthless value of mules transporting drugs for cartels, who are currently licking their chops.

The mistake intellectual libertarians make is in assuming all people who chose “recreational use” are mature, and responsible, like they themselves are. That most people can ‘control’ their drug use. The reality is people are for the most part dumb as rocks, especially 18-25yo’ds. And if you don’t believe most people are dumb, just gander at our prison populations - packed full of dumb. Given access to addictive substances, 18-25yo’ds are like lab rats - forgoing food for drugs and partying. Until they wake up one day, addicted and resorting to robbing their parents and neighbors, friends and then strangers for money for their habit. Because they can’t hold a job or even get hired in the first place. Ambitions, dreams and relationships replaced by a need to subdue the pain of withdrawals. It’s a story that happens in every community already. Legalizing addictive substances just compounds the problem - as any minority community will tell you.


41 posted on 11/04/2020 5:34:45 PM PST by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017))
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To: blueplum

[The mistake intellectual libertarians make is in assuming all people who chose “recreational use” are mature, and responsible, like they themselves are.]


I’m not a libertarian. Or a drug user. (Heck, I don’t even drink, except on big social occasions, when a toast is called for). But my take is that given the zeitgeist, public support for drug prohibition is crumbling underneath our feet. I am just suggesting that if history is any guide, people will learn from the mistakes of others, and learn to avoid drugs, lest they end up like the zombies they see cluttering the sidewalks. I don’t have a problem with the death penalty for drug dealers. But given that we just let out dozens of fairly significant drug offenders who were buying wholesale drugs by the pound in the name of getting bigger sliver of the black vote, without any protest from the right (the law-and-order segment of the population), it’s clear there is no support for serious prison terms, let alone the death penalty.


42 posted on 11/04/2020 5:53:42 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei
I am just suggesting that if history is any guide, people will learn from the mistakes of others, and learn to avoid drugs, lest they end up like the zombies they see cluttering the sidewalks.

I credit listening to Cheech & Chong as a kid for making me never wanting to try drugs.

43 posted on 11/04/2020 5:54:55 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: wastedyears
10th Amendment The “war on drugs” has been a colossal failure.

That's fine. NO TAX MONEY FOR DRUGGIE "REHAB"!!

44 posted on 11/04/2020 6:03:41 PM PST by VeniVidiVici
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Alcohol is far more costly to society in so many ways than drugs. Should we bring back Prohibition? That was a sterling success , wasn’t it?


45 posted on 11/04/2020 10:21:15 PM PST by jmacusa (If we're all equal how is diversity our strength?)
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To: wastedyears

Yup.


46 posted on 11/04/2020 10:21:38 PM PST by jmacusa (If we're all equal how is diversity our strength?)
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To: Williams

Pretty sure drug dealers don’t ask kids for id. Think about the meaning of that.


47 posted on 11/04/2020 10:23:07 PM PST by jmacusa (If we're all equal how is diversity our strength?)
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To: jmacusa

They want drugs to penetrate society, to make it more and more acceptable, less criminal, defund police, keep the cities poor.


48 posted on 11/05/2020 4:35:18 AM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
SOROS
49 posted on 11/05/2020 6:05:09 AM PST by MarvinStinson
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To: Zhang Fei

Soros is proud of you.


50 posted on 11/05/2020 6:08:55 AM PST by MarvinStinson
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To: Williams
Sorry but I don't buy that premise. It's ultimately a problem of money. Get control of the money and you get control of the problem. Eight now it's criminals who control the money.
51 posted on 11/05/2020 7:07:51 AM PST by jmacusa (If we're all equal how is diversity our strength?)
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To: blueplum
Until they wake up one day, addicted

Marijuana is less addictive than the legal drug alcohol - whose addictiveness we're managing, and seeing little if any crime done to pay for alcohol.

If we finish the marijuana legalization that's already well underway, we may find ourselves left with a War on Drugs we can actually win - which is clearly not the case today.

52 posted on 11/05/2020 7:51:46 AM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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