Posted on 06/14/2020 9:22:43 AM PDT by conservative98
The credibility of CDC or Tony Fauci are irrelevant to this particular question.
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Sorry, but it’s absolutely relevant! These idiots were wrong about every facet of this bug! We had some fellow Americans who lost everything due to this hoax, based on the advice of these so-called experts!
These new fear mongering projections are right on time as Trump announces upcoming rallies! You want to drink down this Fake News koolaid, go right ahead! Most of us are not buying this propaganda!
Never again.
And if there is which I doubt now is the best time. Hospital census is lower in the summer so we have plenty of open beds, ICU beds and ventilators. No more lockdowns
FOAD CDC
It’s all BS, to kill the economy and train the sheep to obey government.
Masks don’t work:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340570735_Masks_Don’t_Work_A_review_of_science_relevant_to_COVID-19_social_policy
And the 6-foot (2-meter) distancing “rule” was conjured up out of thin air. Many other countries have it as 3 feet. That would stop lots of the idiotic social distancing economy crippling school shutting crap!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8339837/Government-scientist-says-2m-social-distancing-rule-based-fragile-evidence.html
We’re being played, badly. And idiotic sheep are happy to go along.
I study COVID epidemiology professionally. Propaganda has nothing to do with what I wrote.
Did you read it?
Oh I’m scared. blah blah blah
My male bovine excrement meter just pegged.
Media keeps touting spikes in southern and western states. Repeating for the millionth time: CASES means jacksquat.
Hospitalizations are slightly more meaningful IF they’re covid related, which all are NOT.
Remember the cancellation of so many elective procedures ? Those are colliding with a slight increase of covid hospitalizations.
Serious cases are incidentally approx 95% in extended care or senior living facilities according to AZ COVID website.
WE’RE NOT ALL GONNA’ DIE.
And I study liberals and the lying Fake News! They want us shutdown again and want the economy destroyed before the November elections! You cannot be this big of a chump to not see what’s happening!
Of course the number of cases is going up...we’re doing more testing! This was discussed weeks ago! Guess what else is going up, and dutifully ignored by the Fake News? That’s right, more and more people who have the antibody for this bug!
This bull sh*t is right on schedule brought to us by Liberals and the Fake News!
You need to wise up! We are being played!
With the evidence that so many professionals were so wrong, why should you have any credibility with us?
Lockdown the CDC!
You said in your post: "...Even here, people who support "reopening" DEFEND their positions by saying, over and over as if it would make it true, that nothing will happen, that it's perfectly safe, that people who say it isn't safe are corrupt, or liars, or being paid by George Soros, and so on...
That is a broad brush you paint with, Jim Noble. You say that "...people who support "reopening" defend their positions by saying, over and over as if it would make it true, that nothing will happen, that it's perfectly safe, that people who say it isn't safe are corrupt, or liars, or being paid by George Soros, and so on..."
There are plenty of us "even here" who DON'T believe that "nothing will happen", DON'T hold that it is "perfectly safe", DON'T ALWAYS accuse those who have a different view are "corrupt , or liars" or are "paid by George Soros".
I happen to fully believe ALL of those things you accuse "reopens" of (I guess we have to start labeling people here now, too) are partially true in various situations and elements, although I think it is completely false to paint everyone across the board that way. on OUR side just like I think it is completely false to paint EVERYONE on THEIR side the same way.
There are many people on both sides who are just afraid and/or ignorant.
If we are going to have a "reasonable discussion" on this, I propose that we ALL accept that there are value judgements made on human lives ALL THE TIME. Constantly. Every day. And we have to start acknowledging that this is done, and should be done...right now.
Right now.
To establish the reality that we make value judgements on human life, we can ask the question: "Would you spend ONE DOLLAR if it was certain to save a human life?"
Most normal people, when asked that question, would not only give a dollar, but might well pull out their checkbook and write a check for $1000 dollars...if not $10,000 or $100,000 Dollars.
But if you ask people Would you spend a trillion dollars to save one life?" most people would say no, some even if it were their own.
Especially if you pose the question: "Would you spend $20 trillion dollars to save the lives of some Americans and in in the process, bankrupt your children's future, your grandchildren's future and your great grandchildren's future, plunge the current generation into poverty and want, and likely start bloody wars in the process that would kill hundreds of millions all over the world?" Of course, like the woman who has been offered a dollar to have sex and exclaims indignantly "What kind of woman do you think I am?" (to which the man responds that had already been established and the haggling is about price) we need to accept the role of the man in this and begin haggling over the price.
There needs to be a discussion of where on that spectrum between ONE DOLLAR spent or lost and ONE TRILLION (or TEN or TWENTY TRILLION DOLLARS) does that worthwhile value lay closest to.
They are already talking about the next multi-trillion dollar package for the next wave. This has to stop, and stop now. This isn't the Black Death with a 40% mortality rate. This is something that affects large swaths of people, and simply closing it down across the board for everyone is not only NOT going to end it, it will certainly bankrupt us if it hasn't already.
It has certainly bankrupted hundreds of thousands of people and small businesses already.
So no. There are a lot of us "reopeners" as you have branded us who DON'T believe ANY of those things you accused them of are true across spectrum of the disease and a considerable number of people who want this to continue as an aid to, but we do believe that that it is national suicide to cater to what appears to be largely a Leftist effort (aided useful idiots and those who both afraid and ignorant) to close everything across the board again.
For what it is worth, I am one of the people who is potentially at more risk age-wise and co-morbidity-wise if I do. I will state here and now that my life is not worth mortgaging the future of this country. It is true that I might not sing the same tune if or when that time to pay the piper for my stand comes due. I have and have had a great life, I love life. But I won't countenance possibly saving my life in order to sentence my future countrymen to a life of want and despair.
And if there is which I doubt now is the best time. Hospital census is lower in the summer so we have plenty of open beds, ICU beds and ventilators. No more lockdowns
Thumbs UP!
Excellent post.
Thanks for the heads up.
The chances of that happening are close to ZERO, but there is a fairly good chance that the media and democrats will be able to convince fearful dopes that a serious second wave is happening using a round the clock coverage of a few isolated populations in areas where basically no cases happened previously and lying with meaningless statistics.
They misspelled “Trump rally.”
“I will state here and now that my life is not worth mortgaging the future of this country.”
Well said. I absolutely agree. Exactly what many said in the 1700s, who talked the talk and walked the walk.
Thank you. It comes down to a trade-off. Being shut down has a cost in lives too, people who die of depression over finances or just depression over being shut in and cut off from society.
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