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Abolish police unions, and the law can finally treat officers like everyone else
Wasington Examiner ^ | June 2, 2020 | Tim Worstall

Posted on 06/08/2020 5:10:19 PM PDT by grundle

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1 posted on 06/08/2020 5:10:19 PM PDT by grundle
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How about all government unions? especially teachers?


2 posted on 06/08/2020 5:11:29 PM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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If blacks don’t want cops ,,,fine...The white areas will keep them..Watch the libs howl...It has nothing to do with bad cops...Its to make sure all of us are unarmed and defenseless....


3 posted on 06/08/2020 5:12:26 PM PDT by Hambone 1934
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To: BookmanTheJanitor

I was thinking those same words as I read this article.


4 posted on 06/08/2020 5:18:48 PM PDT by datura
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Abolishing/busting police unions/firemen/emt unions and then teacher unions @ city/state/US levels is a new goal/agenda for the democrats in charge of blue cities

Just let the BLMers and their local city rulers/masters get rid of the cops/firemen/emts and the teacher unions, as those people will not be needed in their BLM new world order!

5 posted on 06/08/2020 5:22:13 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Who Decides: Who and What Is Essential and Which Lives Matter? - June 8, 2020 by| Allen West)
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We do have to figure out how to modify the system to get rid of the truly bad cops. I know of one, and he just keeps getting shuffled around, and he’s back on a SWAT team.


6 posted on 06/08/2020 5:22:53 PM PDT by dirtboy
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We can disagree, Left and Right, on how to handle the debate about racial justice spurred by the killing of George Floyd.

False assumption right at the start.

There is no proof George Floyd was killed.

Many indications he died of natural causes, including the drugs in his system.

7 posted on 06/08/2020 5:30:28 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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Every year take the top 1-2% of cops in terms of complaints and make them justify why they should keep their jobs.


8 posted on 06/08/2020 5:30:33 PM PDT by FewsOrange
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Newsflash for you... even the Hennepin County Medical Examiner classified it as a homicide on the death certificate.

The jury will decide if anyone was culpable be it accidental, negligent/reckless or intentional.


9 posted on 06/08/2020 5:34:08 PM PDT by Valpal1
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I suppose it’s justa coincidence that this would be a gigantic boon to the trial lawyers.

You can already sue cops easily for a wide variety of violations. It’s laughable to say they cannot be sued. The bane of every cop’s life is lawsuits.

This is just a scam to futher enrich the race industry lawyers.


10 posted on 06/08/2020 5:34:31 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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I’m good with that


11 posted on 06/08/2020 5:35:09 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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“ Many indications he died of natural causes, including the drugs in his system. ”

Indeed there is. The fentanyl level alone is reported to be 4 times a lethal dose.


12 posted on 06/08/2020 5:39:41 PM PDT by moehoward
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Newsflash for you... even the Hennepin County Medical Examiner classified it as a homicide on the death certificate.

True, but they didn't attribute it to the actions of the MPD. They said that it might have been a contributing factor.

Taking large doses of Fent and Meth together can cause your lungs to quit working.

13 posted on 06/08/2020 5:43:30 PM PDT by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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“The fentanyl level alone is reported to be 4 times a lethal dose.”

If that’s true, maybe one of the cops did something to get it into his system. Can it be given via syring — a “hot shot” —immediately before he died? If he had four times the lethal dose, then he wasn’t going to be saying” I can’t breathe” several times. Generally, dead men don’t speak.


14 posted on 06/08/2020 5:44:17 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Nothing happens to a Christian that God does not allow to happen.)
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...um......no.......

I’m assuming his tolerance was quite high.

Plan on the three “ bystanders” walking and the kneeler (gotta love the irony) getting off light.


15 posted on 06/08/2020 5:51:06 PM PDT by moehoward
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author is 100% wrong

officers are trusted witnesses of the court

officers have much higher protections from the state while doing their job

officers can use greater force to stop people than ordinary citizens

they have immunity from personal prosecution while doing their jobs in official capacities unless they are breaking laws and are acting criminally themselves


16 posted on 06/08/2020 5:51:24 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: grundle

Indeed.


17 posted on 06/08/2020 5:55:04 PM PDT by arthurus (aac)
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The article talks about qualified immunity for cops as if it’s some kind of union perk. That’s nonsense. Qualified immunity is a legal principle, stemming from a number of federal court rulings.


18 posted on 06/08/2020 6:04:46 PM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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“We do have to figure out how to modify the system to get rid of the truly bad cops.”

Let’s start with something easier: when one cop misbehaves, don’t take it out on all the other cops.


19 posted on 06/08/2020 6:11:56 PM PDT by cymbeline
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"How about all government unions? especially teachers?"

Why shouldn't good cops have the right to representation when they are falsely accused, like we've seen during these riots. I've seen Correctional officers railroaded by New York State. I saw a fellow female officer with 15 years in the department lose her job because she was ordered by the Watch Commander to take a camera to the box so they could photograph an inmate that had just been transferred in from another facility.

Six officers, and one Sergeant were suspended without pay...all over claims by an inmate that they beat him up. The fact is, it never happened, and it was never proven that it happened, but the Administration pursued charges against all of them. The female officer was the first to have her hearing. She asked for, but was never afforded legal assistance from the Union. The arbitrator fell asleep during her hearing, yet he saw fit to recommend she be fired for simply following orders. And the f'in Lieutenant who sent her down there was too weak-kneed to stick up for her at the hearing. He was more worried about making Captain, a position you had to have political backing for.

The other 6 suspensions lasted for almost a year. The remaining male officers and black Sergeant, all were afforded legal assistance from the Union, and by the time all of the hearings were held, no one else...not one male officer lost his job. The black Sergeant who had been in charge of the box that night ended up getting demoted, but he didn't lose his job. The Arbitrator claimed the reason he didn't fire the Sergeant was because "they needed black officers," never mind the fact that white females were a minority in the department, and the fact that the fired female had an exemplary record, and had been a trainer at the Academy.

The Union I belonged to never helped me during my 25 years. As a female, I pretty much had to fight for everything I got. But not all Unions are like the one I had to belong to. There are plenty others that represent ALL officers, not just a select few. And there are plenty of good officers who shouldn't have to go without the assistance of the Union's legal department when they are falsely accused of something they didn't do.

20 posted on 06/08/2020 6:12:48 PM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne)
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