George Floyd had ‘violent criminal history’: Minneapolis police union chief

NY Post ^ | June 2, 2020 | 12:04pm | Updated | Kate Sheehy

[snarkytart]

well it is relevant in that if he wasn’t committing a crime and resisting arrest he’d still be alive...well maybe. He was stumbling around high on fentanyl.

[Carborundum]

[surprised Baden made the comments he did]
Agreed. Not sure why. Unfortunately, I suspect the experts the prosecution and defense will find will have limited exposure to the classic work that could most plausibly explain the pathophysiology behind all of this. Baden’s comments suggest to me that they will be barking up the wrong tree, in terms of the most plausible etiology. He is hired by the family’s lawyer. He is eminent, but I guess there still could be an expert witness’ smoke-and-mirrors show waiting in the wings. Between Baden and the female pathologist from Michigan (?), who knows? Strange things happen in courtrooms. And during jury deliberations. Remember OJ. Had a friend murdered some years ago. Pediatric surgeon shot to death at age 29 going back to the hospital in the evening to check on one of his patients. Cops finally caught the perps after a decade or so. Had them dead to rights. Objectively strong case. But an OJ-style jury let them off. They walked out laughing and joking. Such is American Justice.

[Shawn Hannity- the ‘Karate Expert’...]
Did not see the Hannity show. Don’t watch him much anymore. More Tucker and Laura, depending on my schedule. And not sure about karate chops to the neck leading to death—it is possible I guess. Certainly one hard blow to the sternum directly overlying the heart can do it—a hard line drive in baseball to the mid chest leading to ventricular tachycardia/fibrillation (a.k.a. cardiac arrest) is the classic example.

[I just hope he gets a fair trial- this whole thing is so volatile right now- i can’t see how he can get an impartial jury]-
I agree with the concerns re: fair trial. May be quite difficult in this environment. My guess-there might be a 50-50 chance he will ultimately end up retired in Florida, living off a large settlement from the city/state for his trouble. A lot of people on this board—ostensibly conservatives—have him convicted already. Many of them may be thinking that way because the “facts” reported in the media may not be accurate and a lot of misinformation is being spread as to exactly how people can die from street drug abuse and/or trauma. Here—it sounds to me like a lot of media misdirection. They scream trauma, time and time again, and quietly over in the corner, sits the real underlying culprit....cardiac toxicity from abuse of street drugs. Heck—no one remembers the good old days—when they used to find the junkies cold and dead in the shooting galleries, with the syringe and needle used to inject their final “fix” of heroin still embedded in one of their veins. But the world has changed, and modern drug abusers do themselves in via other (non-heroin) agents and toxicities. So I suspect there is a good chance that if the DA is cagey, this cop will be a casualty of the modern mythology surrounding the perils (or lack thereof) of polysubstance abuse.

[eeriegeno]

Floyd was no choir boy alright! He was being arrested for passing a bogus $20. He was on fentanyl. He had meth in his system. He had preexisting heart problems. He was arrested in2009 and sentenced to five years for larceny and had a weapon. He was more recently arrested for robbery in 2017. The store clerk reported that he was intoxicated and acting uncontrollably. He was far from a choir boy! I will wait for the trial and evidence to make up my mind about guilt of the policeman.

[jonrick46]

The ambulance was called when Floyd was already on the ground. It was a non-emergency Code 2 for bleeding from the mouth; obviously from the pavement grinding into his mouth. The call was soon upgraded to a Code 3 emergency. Despite this call for an EMS dispatch, Floyd is pinned down by his neck for 7 more minutes. In those minutes, he died from asphyxiation.

As Floyd pleads that he can't breathe Officer Chauvin asks him what does he want? Floyd answers, "I can't breathe, please relieve my neck!" Chauvin says, "Well, get up and get into the car, man!" As Chauvin tants him he applies more pressure to the neck as Floyd protests that he cannot breathe. This was shear torture in a demented way. Hannity, who saw the video, says the officer knew what he was doing. Such tactics on the neck are a fundamental part of martial arts. You remember that Chauvin was a bouncer at the same nightclub as Floyd--the Latin American club El Nuevo Rodeo. He knew such pressure trauma to the carotid artery can shut down the brain instantly. In the case of Floyd, his carotid artery fully collapsed and he died instantly. Hannity described how one blow to the carotid could cause one to collapse instantly to the ground. Chauvin knew his fighting skills and he was testing them on Floyd.

[DoodleDawg]

In the trial they will have access to all the surveillance cameras from every angle that will show Saint Floyd fighting and resisting.

So? I would imagine in the course of an average day hundreds, perhaps thousands, of people fight and resist arrest with police officers all over the country. Yet they still manage to make it to the station alive. Why not here?

[shelterguy]

Because of meth, fentanyl intoxication and a heart attack. Other than that he was in pretty good shape.

[jonrick46]

So, Floyd had a counterfeit $20. How many of us could be given such a bill? “Here George, here’s the money I owe you!” George: “Thanks Frank, maybe I’ll more Vikings shirts for you next month.”

When the store clerk realized it was counterfeit, was there a refusal to accept it? Did George run out of he store with his cigarettes? All this could have ended if George said, “Buy George, that must have been a bad $20 I was given. Here, I’ll trade it for a good $20. I have a friend who I need some answers.”

[DoodleDawg]

Because of meth, fentanyl intoxication and a heart attack. Other than that he was in pretty good shape.

And except for having his neck knelt on for almost nine minutes he'd be alive. Unfortunate that the police didn't know he was a walking heart-attack waiting to happen but it's just their bad luck. They knelt on the wrong individual.

[shelterguy]

“””””And except for having his neck knelt on for almost nine minutes he’d be alive.””””””””””

I did not know that you are a medical expert. I’m honored.

[DoodleDawg]

I did not know that you are a medical expert. I’m honored.

Not me, the Minnesota medical examiner. He's the one who said that kneeling on his neck was a contributing factor to Floyd's death. Take any one of the three factors out and Floyd likely doesn't die. Add the three together and he's a dead man. So since the cops were responsible for one of the factors then they're responsible for his death.

[shelterguy]

The medical examiner said there was no sign of neck trauma or asphyxiation.

He then said the opposite. Was he pressured?

Was he wrong the first time or the second time?

[TECTopcat]

doesn’t matter-the way it went down was too blatant-cops say when a guy is handcuffed its over

[jonrick46]

“What we found is consistent with what people saw,” Baden said. “There is no other health issue that could cause or contribute to the death. Police have this false impression that if you can talk, you can breathe. That’s not true.” The conclusions of his autopsy said Floyd’s death was caused by asphyxia due to neck compression that led to a lack of blood flow to the brain and back compression that limited his ability to breathe.

[DoodleDawg]

The medical examiner said there was no sign of neck trauma or asphyxiation.

Here's a Link to his original report. Even when he says that there was no sign of asphyxia or strangulation he still says that kneeling on Floyd's neck was a contributing factor in his death. He said that the action was "inherently dangerous" which is a requirement to meet the 3rd degree murder charge. So no pressure. Not a matter of being wrong the first time or the second. He had that opinion all along.

[jonrick46]

The police union is corrupt to the core. I would bet they are getting payoffs from the drug cartels to keep the drugs flowing into the Twin Cities. I am suspecting that the illegal drug industry is an element in this Black Lives Matter, “A Good Cop Is A Dead Cop,” lawlessness. They don’t want police to stop the drugs.

[shelterguy]

Since the guy died of fentanyl, meth and a heart attack as well as other factors the prosecution will have their hands full proving that the cop caused it all.

[DoodleDawg]

Since the guy died of fentanyl, meth and a heart attack as well as other factors the prosecution will have their hands full proving that the cop caused it all.

Nobody is saying he caused it all. But his actions contributed to it, per the medical examiner. Take any of the three factors out of it and Floyd likely doesn't die there. Combine the three and it killed him. So all the prosecutor has to prove is the cops actions contributed to the death and a conviction should follow.

[jonrick46]

If you are using a knee to the neck or a jack boot, both correctly positioned on the carotid artery, will stop the flow of blood to the brain. Tell me, how long do you think a person lives without such blood flow? And, if you were a night club bouncer like Derek Chauvin, you would have been a expert in the martial arts that included precise blows to the carotid.

[shelterguy]

A heart attack won’t kill him, a fentanyly overdose with a meth kicker won’t kill him but it is the cops fault. Groovy.

[jonrick46]

Look at my image of the carotid artery on my post #204. See what is called the "Common Carotid Artery?" That artery supplies two other arteries that branch off: the Internal Carotid Artery and the External Carotid Artery. If someone were to collapse the Common Carotid Artery, blood flow would cease to go into these branch arteries at levels necessary for life. You think the system on the other side of the neck would make up for the lack of flow? It takes both sides to provide the necessary oxygen and glucose for the brain. There is other way, besides the dual supply system, that amount of blood flow can be provided.