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Coronavirus: European Countries reject Chinese-made equipment
BBC ^ | 03/31/2020

Posted on 03/31/2020 8:59:28 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Zhang Fei

You’ll have your work cut out for you doing damage control for the CCP.

There is no way a business in China can export anything to the US without having first obtained all the necessary permits or licenses from the CCP bureaucrats.

Even if we were to accept that all the medical personnel handling the tests kits in Spain, Turkey, Ukraine, and the Czech Republic didn’t know what they were doing and all made the same mistake mishandling the samples, how do you explain the Netherlands having to recall 600,000 masks that don’t fit the face and have defective filters?

And let’s hear from you why the CCP during the past couple of months sent ‘armies’ out buying up all the medical supplies in many countries such as Australia and shipping them back to China when they really have so much to export to other countries. And why doctors and nurses in Wuhan were working under a severe shortage of supplies at the same time the CCP were engaged in said buying sprees of the same supplies.


21 posted on 04/01/2020 1:32:09 AM PDT by sun7
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To: sun7

[You’ll have your work cut out for you doing damage control for the CCP.

There is no way a business in China can export anything to the US without having first obtained all the necessary permits or licenses from the CCP bureaucrats.]


I’m not doing damage control for *anyone*. The CCP is basically an aristocracy consisting of various factions descended from the leading figures among the winners of the Chinese Civil War. They’re all out for their own personal benefit. Xi Jinping is a basically a blue blood who maneuvered his way to the top. You think they get corruption scandals because they’re all drones in thrall to the queen ant? You think these coups and coup attempts are an indication that China is a unitary hive mind?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_571
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hua_Guofeng#Ousting_and_death
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Lijun_incident#Coup_rumours

There is no unitary “CCP bureaucrats” approving these export licenses. There is the guy who bought his way into office or inherited it, and uses it to pad his personal finances.

I don’t blame you for knowing any of this stuff - I was an amateur Kremlin-watcher during the Cold War, and focused my energy on throw weights, game theory, etc, and I was always amazed at how much I did not know. But the fact is that all this ideological crap is just a maze of rules for people to win personal power and fame. If the place turned Wahhabi or democratic tomorrow because of circumstances they couldn’t control, they’d go right along. You think Yeltsin was a complete outsider? He came within a hair’s breadth of becoming a Politburo member. He was a card carrying Communist until he found a quicker and more direct route to the top. It ain’t about ideology - it’s about personal benefit, and that applies to every single member of the CCP.

Xi Jinping doesn’t monitor any of this crap. He’s mostly interested in staying in power in the midst of the all the rivals who’d like to be sitting in his place. He thinks of business people as mere tradesmen - the way we might look at day laborers from south of the border hanging out at Home Depot. Xi Jinping doesn’t run companies - like the emperors of the past, he merely wants to make sure private entrepreneurs in China don’t become like the merchant princes in Europe who either helped topple monarchies or turn them into figureheads.

There’s actually a pretty good article in the Guardian about this aspect of the Communist Party’s rule in China - its moves to get a piece of the action re any company that gets really big. Alibaba’s Jack Ma got all his financing from outside China - Google, Yahoo, Japan’s Softbank. $0 came from the Communist Party. But when Alibaba grew big, the Party wanted a piece of the pie - for free. Think of the way the Robert De Niro character in Goodfellas took over a restaurant along with Joe Pesci and Ray Liotta. Monarchs have been ripping off business tycoons who got big enough to finance their political rivals or launch a direct bid for the throne themselves since probably the beginning of time.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/25/china-business-xi-jinping-communist-party-state-private-enterprise-huawei

It’s no different from any other period in Chinese history - the guy at the top always has people gunning for him. Deng Xiaoping turfed Mao Zedong’s hand-picked successor in a bloodless coup. Xi Jinping doesn’t want to suffer the same fate, so spends all his time worrying about other people who might move against him. He doesn’t give a crap about product defects that some nameless but well-connected Chinese company (not to Xi but to one of the many rent-seekers in the Chinese bureaucracy) is responsible for.

The real bottom line - to the extent there are product defects, it’s the result of items being rushed to market. With a lot of Chinese companies, their rule seems to be - always be first to market. Better to ask for forgiveness than lose the contract. You can always fix the order later. As the incumbent, you get first dibs on re-orders, once you make your customer whole. Because if you make things right for them, they’ll stick with you, just because you made the effort.

It’s like that 10 year warranty for Hyundais that initially caused a lot of headaches for the Koreans as well as for customers inconvenienced by the fact that they owned unreliable heaps. Then they followed through on their warranties, and their customers stuck with them because Hyundai delivered on their warranty promises.


22 posted on 04/01/2020 2:27:12 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: prophetic

“It seems like the world is actually waking up to saying that “MADE IN CHINA” is actually a warning label.”

Yup.


23 posted on 04/01/2020 6:45:11 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Rebelbase

“Harbor Freight will take them.”

So true.


24 posted on 04/01/2020 6:47:45 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Meant to include the following link in my last post, for the sake of completeness here it is:
https://www.couriermail.com.au/business/companies/chinese-company-shipped-out-millions-of-australias-masks-hand-sanitiser-glove-supplies/news-story/d5324e3676d38af509d5ac25c56e7cec

Sorry couldn’t muster up enough interest to finish reading your reply, and I infer from the seemingly unfocused ramblings and the non sequiturs that you don’t have a direct response to the simple queries in my post. And it appears you’re sticking to your argument that the company involved did not have CCP export approval and that Xi cannot possibly control such a minute detail.

Let me repeat, no Chinese company can export anything without CCP approval and it doesn’t require Xi’s or any high-level official’s direct involvement. The CCP did not come to power yesterday, and they already have a vast and well-oiled bureaucracy set up to handle everything. For example, a business not authorized for export would not be able to arrange overseas freight because a freight company would not proceed without seeing the papers showing all the required stamps from various departments. A company with special connections means it will be able to obtain any approval stamp without incident, not that it can proceed without meeting the requirements. Nobody is so stupid as to openly flout the communists’ own rules. Also, an exporter will likely have to maintain an account with the central bank so that the CCP can monitor and make sure all foreign currencies earned go to the reserves (giving the merchant RMB).

There are many people who believe Xi is being fooled and misled by the people around him and that he is not responsible for many of the perversions coming out of China. Well, one cannot be king and at the same time thinks one is not responsible for anything. Xi has decidedly moved China further left since he took power. I think people should stop making excuses for him.

Maybe you have read a lot of Chinese history, and that has given you the idea that a parallel to today’s China could be found in its history, hence your reference to warlords. But there are things that make the CCP very different from even the most brutal regime in China’s history, namely,
- Unprecedented foreign infiltration and influence from the Soviets combined with the worst of Marxism;
- Unprecedented control and brainwashing of the populace made possible by modern technology;
- Unprecedented destruction of traditional Chinese culture and morals.

But at this point I have no interest at all in pursuing the historical aspects about the CCP, though I will always try to debunk their lies whenever I could. Your eagerness to defend and make excuses for them in a way attests to the CCP’s success, for now; but ultimately, there is really no defending the indefensible, as your reply proves though predictably you don’t want to acknowledge it, and we are not even remotely talking about the things that are truly atrocious.


25 posted on 04/01/2020 10:46:01 PM PDT by sun7
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