Posted on 03/31/2020 7:23:29 PM PDT by cba123
And people that take it prophylactically before traveling to high malaria countries.
>>Would be a shame though if you end up needing to admit those outpatients in a few days ...<<
Exactly, and you can add to that the fact that it would be a shame if early usage of HCQ would enable us to restart the country again, but no one decided to try that.
My view: Just start treating early and if it results in a lot less hospitalizations, let people get back to work and treat them as soon as they show symptoms. Heart patients and the elderly can continue to self-isolate until most people have developed immunity. Otherwise, the additional suicides over the next year or two are going to outnumber the deaths from the virus. People need to get back to work or soon there won’t be a job to go back to.
The doctor quoted said that the reason they’re only giving it to hospitalized patients is because it can cause heart problems so people have to be monitored.
I call B.S.
There are lots of people with lupus and arthritis on the drug and they certainly aren’t hospitalized while they’re on it.
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Arrithma, in most cases is not serious. That is the most common side effect. Delaying this treatment until patient is critical is foolish. Those would be the people most likely to have the most chance of being hurt by the side effects and least likely to be helped by the drug. Dr.s in NYC are self prescribing and taking it as a prophylactic before being infected
The NY doctor does send younger people home with instructions to monitor their health, but if a person in a higher risk category tests positive he treats them and sends them home with the same instructions. So far, he claims to have only three or four hospitalizations out of 700 patients and they are doing okay so far, i.e., not requiring intubation.
If others find they have the same experience, I see no reason why that isn’t a rational way to treat. Why wait until they need hospitalization, especially when the side effects are minimal and we already know which health conditions are aggravated by the drug.
.. No doubt that is why the set back to the easement of restrictions till end of April?
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I think ALL of the measures have been timed/rolled out to build up supplies....of masks, respirators, additional ICU/CC beds and MEDS.
While they been cherrypicking FDA statements to push that point of view, the have not publicized this recent FDA statement:
In its approval letter, the FDA wrote that "[b]ased on the totality of scientific evidence available to FDA, it is reasonable to believe that chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate may be effective in treating COVID-19."
Of course that is called a “study”. You would need to make only differences in groups to be hospitalizations...pneumonia..ventilator dependent...but you would need composition of groups to have same ages..biol sex...etc...that takes time to enroll all of those people. But we want answers NOW. Right now some preliminary studies are being done...we should know in a few days if the therapy makes a significant difference in large numbers of patients.(to avoid the possibility of having a group of patients who would have gotten better without hcq)
It would allow those who have mild or nonexistent symptoms to feel confident that there would be help if the course of their infection got worse. I sure hope they can show that there is a beneficial effect. Freegards.
True. 100%.
If it can cause cardiac problems in patients without pulmonary problems (that is..arthritis and lupus)...would you be concerned that it might have a more pronounced effect in someone with a pneumonia? Please note: there are well reported phenomena of cardiac complications in pneumonia.
Freegards
Other measures than just dead or alive. For example: viral load. If a person’s viral load drops by 90%, that’s a positive result, and will likely result in the patient feeling better as well. That would also make medical workers less likely to get infected when their protective gear or behavior is less than perfect.
And statistics. If 12% get put in an ICU without medication, while medicated patients get sent to ICU 3% of the time (real numbers are actually more obvious than that), then by the time you treat 200 patients, instead of 24 in the ICU - which may be full before 24 patients - you have 6 - it gets obvious the treatment is working.
“....says benefits outweigh risks....”
Finally someone has approached this with some clear thinking. If anyone reads the MSDS on the product, they will understand that the drug in possibly the quantities needed, as each person is different, could be just as lethal as the virus, maybe more. So Henry Ford gets the tip of my hat for being honest.
rwood
“I think ALL of the measures have been timed/rolled out to build up supplies....of masks, respirators, additional ICU/CC beds and MEDS.”
that may be the real reason for all of it...get everything lined up not so much for this first wave but for the second one coming because let’s be honest, the country will not survive if we shut down for another wave.
Changing your body’s pH is biologically impossible. The fact is that cell and blood pH must stay tightly controlled (at about 7.4) to sustain life. Here is an essay I wrote on the impact of hydroxychloroquine on the disease and those infected with Covid-19... which includes a link to a fabulous video presentation on how the drug works.
Hydroxychloroquine impedes the ability of the SARS-CoV-2 virus to replicate by allowing zinc, which interferes with the replication process, to more easily penetrate the cell wall and attack the virus inside the cell. Hydroxychloroquine is an ionophore that acts as a gateway for the zinc ions to more easily pass through the cell membrane and prevent the virus from hijacking the RNA sequencing mechanism of the infected cell in order to replicate itself...which the virus cannot do on its own.
In this video, Dr. Roger Seheult, Pulmonologist and Associate Professor at UC-Riverside, explains exactly how hydroxychloroquine allows zinc to penetrate infected cells to prevent the Covid-19 virus from replicating. Extremely interesting, invaluable knowledge:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=U7F1cnWup9M
Here is something you should also know; it is often not the virus that is killing people, it is an overactive immune response triggered by this virus, called a “cytokine storm”, that kills them. A cytokine storm is when the body’s immune system becomes over-stimulated and, in this case, floods the lungs with so many pro-inflammatory cytokines that healthy cells as well as infected cells are indiscriminately attacked and damaged, causing the lungs to fill with fluid...killing the patient.
Hydroxychloroquine regulates the immune system response and prevents too many pro-inflammatory cytokines from being released at one time. That is why a drug originally developed for treating malaria, hydroxychloroquine, is now prescribed to people with autoimmune diseases such as lupus and rheumatoid arthritis. HCQ helps protect healthy cells from an overactive immune system and, in the process of treating the coronavirus, helps prevent the lungs from being further damaged.
Azithromycin is prescribed with the hydroxychloroquine to control secondary infections attacking a compromised respiratory system. It has also been demonstrated in clinical trials that azithromycin has antiviral properties of its own. The pairing of these two drugs along with a zinc supplement is helping almost everyone that is given these drugs recover and go back to their homes and their families.
So theyre doing it exactly wrong. Give it to patients as early as possible.
The doctor quoted said that the reason they’re only giving it to hospitalized patients is because it can cause heart problems so people have to be monitored.
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He’s right, the number is 1 in 10,000. Viagra is more dangerous than this stuff.
If you have a wide spectrum of patients, you will be able to better gauge who will benefit the most from the drug. Having mild or no symptoms doesn’t mean that the infection will not get worse. And there may be a point where the patient is too far gone to receive any benefit. A person is considered cured when they have two negative tests in a row. Someone who has had the disease and recovered would show up as negative but have antibodies indicating they had a previous infection.
From purely a humanitarian perspective, we should seek to cure anyone who is a confirmed positive. The adverse side effects could be addressed thru tests and previous medical history. I have taken the drug for three years without any adverse reaction. The USG mandated that I take it. I had no choice. The anti malarial costs about 5 cents a dose. The Zpac is more expensive. When you shut down at least a quarter of the US economy, these costs pale in comparison.
It can cause heart problems, most notably arrhythmia -after prolonged use. This is a 5 day course of treatment, and will have zero adverse effects on 99.999% of people. FYI, my mother has a pre-existing arrhythmia, and has taken hydroxychloroquine for 5 YEARS with no adverse effects.
I also call BS.
Sure thing there, Dr. Fauci.
Jay Inslee illustrates the danger of trying to mainstream the mentally impaired.
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