Posted on 03/23/2020 9:02:52 PM PDT by usafa92
Teaneck is under siege from the coronavirus, and he needed to get back to his patients. But first, he had a desperate message he needed to send.
come on really?
Excellent post, thanks for the links and article!
catnipman wrote:
“Quinine-based drugs aren’t going to do much at an advanced stage.”
and you know that how?
here’s a list of published medical papers that say otherwise:
a couple of anecdotal cases thrown in for good measure:
https://nypost.com/2020/03/22/florida-man-with-coronavirus-says-drug-touted-by-trump-saved-his-life/
and this from WSJ:
“These Drugs Are Helping Our Coronavirus Patients
Hydroxychloroquine is a common generic drug used to treat lupus, arthritis and malaria. The medication, whose brand name is Plaquenil, is relatively safe, with the main side effect being stomach irritation, though it can cause echocardiogram and vision changes. In 2005, a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study showed that chloroquine, an analogue, could block a virus from penetrating a cell if administered before exposure. If tissue had already been infected, the drug inhibited the virus.
On March 9 a team of researchers in China published results showing hydroxychloroquine was effective against the 2019 coronavirus in a test tube. The authors suggested a five-day, 12-pill treatment for Covid-19: two 200-milligram tablets twice a day on the first day followed by one tablet twice a day for four more days.
A more recent French study used the drug in combination with azithromycin. Most Americans know azithromycin as the brand name Zithromax Z-Pak, prescribed for upper respiratory infections. The Z-Pak alone doesn’t appear to help fight Covid-19, and the findings of combination treatment are preliminary.
But researchers in France treated a small number of patients with both hydroxychloroquine and a Z-Pak, and 100% of them were cured by day six of treatment. Compare that with 57.1% of patients treated with hydroxychloroquine alone, and 12.5% of patients who received neither.
What’s more, most patients cleared the virus in three to six days rather than the 20 days observed in China. That reduces the time a patient can spread the virus to others. One lesson that should inform the U.S. approach: Use this treatment cocktail early, and don’t wait until a patient is on a ventilator in the intensive-care unit.
A couple of careful studies of hydroxychloroquine are in progress, but the results may take weeks or longer. Infectious-disease experts are already using hydroxychloroquine clinically with some success. With our colleague Dr. Joe Brewer in Kansas City, Mo., we are using hydroxychloroquine in two ways: to treat patients and as prophylaxis to protect health-care workers from infection.
We had been using the protocol outlined in the research from China, but we’ve switched to the combination prescribed in the French study. Our patients appear to be showing fewer symptoms.
Our experience suggests that hydroxychloroquine, with or without a Z-Pak, should be a first-line treatment. Unfortunately, there is already a shortage of hydroxychloroquine. The federal government should immediately contract with generic manufacturers to ramp up production. Any stockpiles should be released.
As a matter of clinical practice, hydroxychloroquine should be given early to patients who test positive, and perhaps if Covid-19 is presumed—in the case of ill household contacts, for instance. It may be especially useful to treat mild cases and young patients, which would significantly decrease viral transmission and, as they say, “flatten the curve.”
Emergency rooms run the risk of one patient exposing a dozen nurses and doctors. Instead of exposed health workers getting placed on 14-day quarantine, they could receive hydroxychloroquine for five days, then test for the virus. That would allow health-care workers to return to work sooner if they test negative.
President Trump touted hydroxychloroquine in his Thursday press conference as a potential treatment, which is a welcome move. And this isn’t only about treatment. Rapid and strategic use of these drugs could help arrest the spread of the disease.
We have decades of experience in treating infectious diseases and dealing with epidemics, and we believe in safety and efficacy. We don’t want to peddle false hope; we have seen promising drugs turn out to be duds.
But the public expects an answer, and we don’t have the luxury of time. We have a drug with an excellent safety profile but limited clinical outcomes—and no better alternatives until long after this disaster peaks. We can use this treatment to help save lives and prevent others from becoming infected. Or we can wait several weeks and risk discovering we didn’t do everything we could to end this pandemic as quickly as possible.
Dr. Colyer is a practicing physician and chairman of the National Advisory Commission on Rural Health. He served as governor of Kansas, 2018-19. Dr. Hinthorn is director of the Division of Infectious Disease at the University of Kansas Medical Center.”
and best of all, President Trump believes these drugs are “game changers”, and of course being President, he’s got access to thousands of times of information as you do ...
Thanks for the on-the-ground report!
billyboy15 wrote:
“The dr was unprofessional and hysterical. I used to live a mile from that hospital and have many friends living in Teaneck NJ where the hospital is located. Two of them were in the hospital Sunday visiting (still allowed) and noticed nothing unusual.
As for “begging for donations”, Holy Name has been doing that since the 1950’s.”
Why would you believe a Date of Rank in 1978 would make me 120 years old?
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I had no idea what DOR was either. Actually while I believe your post had honorable intentions, the entire thing seemed fairly cryptic to me.
Prayers for you
Try and stay safe
The CDC estimates seasonal flu in the US causes 9.3 million to 45 million annual cases, 140,000 to 810,100 hospitalizations, and 12,000 to 81,000 deaths.
How is it that 47,000 cases and less than 600 deaths from the Chinese virus (JHUCSSE website) totally overwhelms the hospital system?
Makes one suspect price gouging is going on or a GoFund Me page has been launched as a fund raiser.
“ The mortality rate is likely to go DOWN, not up as the testing expands and identifies new cases.”
While there are fewer tests being done, the mortality rate is meaningless. The only way to get a handle on the severity of this disease is by counting total deaths. That will change as treatments and supplies change, but until then, counting the dead is the best way to understand the spread of Mexican Beer Virus. As of right now, we are on the edge of care capacity.
and they have the pictures of this ‘war zone’ to prove it, right?
Or is this just another ‘orange man bad’ liberal...
Here in Colorado the parking lots at hospitals and emergency clinics and centers are fairly empty. No mass hysteria or cases.
Thanks for that explanation.
This National disaster reminds me of the blind men trying to describe an elephant, where each one of them is touching a different spot on the elephant. I believe there were five men in the story and each one of them had five completely different descriptions of the elephant.
I once spent two days sweating bullets, with only radio contact with a doctor, trying to save a mans life. When we were in range I was able to pass him onto a Coast Guard helicopter where he survived because he reached a hospital.
I consoled by phone, my fire fighter/medic daughter after traumatic calls she had handled, auto accident where the guy was breathing through his eye socket till he died, the crushed American soldier in Iraq.
I’ve seen the stress on our local hospital personal and their running short of personal protection equipment.
From my part of the elephant, please give them a break.
To be truthful the mortality rate is at best a guess and will show a wide, very wide range. I believe the latest flu season now is said to have killed upwards of 24,000 to as high as 50,000 while infecting between 30 and 50 million people right here in America.
But is the case that the actual kill rate will be difficult to know but what we do know is the RATE of deaths (% of infected who die) will drop to very low levels as more and more testing is done here. I believe it has already dropped to 1% from around 3-4%
I hear these reports, different locations are applying different criteria and protocols
Mass disorder
LOl.... stay safe Jane.
You, too.
Thanks.
Thank you, that’s very kind of you. I’m trusting in medicine and The Lord.
Those are powerful allies
A man interviewed today was on his deathbed and had said his goodbyes to family. He was given chloroquine (or hydroxychloroquine) and within hours he was pretty much all better.
Laura Ingraham was telling of another, also on his deathbed, who was cured “like Lazarus” in a matter of hours.
It does happen, much to the dismay of the people who would benefit from waiting 12-18 months for a vaccine.
I purchased quinine myself. I am a fan of that family of drugs. By as I’ve said numerous times, these aren’t capable of undoing or repairing organ damage. Lung, heart, others.
I took a spin thru a local hospitals parking lot and didn’t notice any huge influx of cars in the lot. I found a spot and waited maybe 5-10 minutes and only one car drove up to the ER. The passenger got out holding a cloth around their hand and went inside.
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