Posted on 03/17/2020 3:24:50 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
Which is why it seems to help with COVID-19 which has the same effect as malaria to a lesser degree.
Yep.
Pulmonary fibrosis is a broad category covering what people who had asbestos-related problems get. What I’m reading here is that, in the worst case, this bug does to patients’ lungs, what used to take decades of occupational exposure to asbestos, via construction work. It’s a really nasty bug that can cause permanent problems even after ostensible recovery.
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I was reading about this weeks ago, although the articles were more hypothetical about these as studies and cases were not as prevalent.
This is the biggest threat of this virus if it’s true. Even if you recover, you are technically not as healthy. In other words, you will not be 100% again.
This is why the young are spared and the very old and the ‘preexisting condition’ group are less likely to be. They simply have less good lung tissue to spare and cannot sustain a 15% to 30% loss in lung function.
Old people be damned eh?
I’ve seen several people on this very board say ‘they’re going to die soon enough anyway’.
Very harsh. Technically it’s true, in some sort of existential philosophical way... but that’s cold as hell.
...and the karma of it is, if you get it, you wont be as strong as you were before. In fact, you wouldn’t want to catch pneumonia or some other lung disease soon after.
That is dangerous thinking. The only thing different is that Italy DID not take it seriously in the beginning. It got a foothold and they had NOT prepared for it either as a people or a government. The isolation and actions they took were too late to prevent what is now happening.
This CAN and WILL happen here IF we don't take it seriously and get the idea that we can just carry on like always.
This is inexpressably sad. I haven’t been to Italy for over a decade, but even the last time I visited, community hospitals were still family affairs, with most of the patients receiving their food not from the hospital commissary but from family members bringing hot meals.
My travel companion and I were friends with a doctor, so he took us to the doctor’s lunch service, green salad and pasta with red sauce, which came complete with homemade red wine in long-recycled bottles patina’ed with a thousand tiny scratches. It was like eating at grandma’s, there in the hospital.
Being separated from loved ones at the time of death is so sad for these folks. Itally, like much of Europe, has veered left, and even the birth rate there is below replacement level, so there is no mention of Last Rites for CV-19 patients, and one imagines it is not allowed.
I was also creepled out by the blithe mention of assisted dying early in the article, as if anyone should be within rights to just order up that option.
There is no compassion in socialism and fascism; to arrive at these, God is first kicked out of your vehicle.
The government did not take it seriously HERE.
We should have shut down the flights from China as soon as it became apparent there was in issue. Instead, we let “our Chinese Friends” seed the country with this bug.
Right now, we are at the start of the storm.
They also have a fraction of the per-capita ICU beds we have.
It doesn't matter. In a very mild flu year 5% of the population gets the flu. If that happens with covid 19 then there won't be enough available hospital beds in the US much less ICU beds.
We really don’t know at this point. Had they three times the capacity per capita, they wouldn’t have hit triage so far.
We have hundreds of thousands hospitalized for the flu every winter. If it turns out that instead of 10% needing hospitalization, when more widely tested we find it is only 2-3%—a real possibility—then that’s not really beyond what we handle with the flu. Now, the flu isn’t disappearing just because we have a new coronavirus, but our excess capacity, spread through the long winter season, could probably have handled both at that level.
No they couldn't at least if we believe Donald Trump and every other country that has dealt with it.
Total hospital beds in the US: about 950,000
Average occupancy: 60% or so.
Average available beds: 380,000
Population: 370,000,000
Covid 19 infects only 5% (mild flu year): 18,500,000 infected
5% of covid patients needs hospitalization: 925,000 needing hospitalization.
That's just regular hospital beds. ICU units available are FAR less.
That's why all government are trying to slow this down...so the health care system doesn't become overwhelmed.
All those who need hospitalization don’t need ICU beds, and you’ve got almost a 6-month “flu season”.
So far the stats from every country bears this out. In 5% of those who are diagnosed with COVID 19 about 5% will become critically ill...needing ICU. That's JUST critically ill. Doesn't count those who still need hospitalization.
No country has done sufficient testing to know how widely it is in the population. All their numbers are likely skewed toward the symptomatic.
That's why I said 5% of KNOWN cases. Even if it's 1% of ALL CASES known and unknown is irrelevant...it IS overwhelming medical systems in countries which do not take steps to prevent it from doing so.
China’s back to work. Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, barely suffered with it.
All of those countries took extremely aggressive steps to track and quarantine....even more harsh than what we have done so far.
Your mind is just set.
OF course it is. That's reality. What information that I posted do you disagree with and what is your evidence for the contrary?
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