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The truth about Australia's fires — no, arsonists aren't responsible for many this season
ABC News Australia ^ | 01/10/2020 | By Kevin Nguyen, Tim Brunero, Sarah Thomas, Daniel Keane and Nicole Mills

Posted on 01/10/2020 8:17:46 PM PST by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 01/10/2020 8:17:46 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Government and environmental wackos are responsible for the fires.

Years of no backburning, no clearing brush and no protective measures...


2 posted on 01/10/2020 8:20:59 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with islamic terrorists - they want to die for allah and we want to kill them.)
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Nonsense. They arrested a couple of dozen for giggles. A firefighter in a fire pron state told me fully 30% or more of the small wildland fires he responded to were arson. They tend not to call them that unless they get a conviction.


3 posted on 01/10/2020 8:25:14 PM PST by rey
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To: SeekAndFind

2 dozen firebugs, one was a volunteer firefighter who’d allegedly set at least 7 blazes.

183 criminal investigations (many for poor fire safety, eg discarded lit cigarettes, perhaps trash fires and controlled burns that got out of hand).

There were fires that were maliciously ignited and the human factor in many others cannot be denied.

It happens in California as well (firebug forestry freaks and illegal immigrant campfires that get out of hand).


4 posted on 01/10/2020 8:31:09 PM PST by a fool in paradise (Decade of decision for America)
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I do not know if this article is correct or simply bull sierra. If the majority of the fires are in isolated areas it is probably of natural causes. If these fires are near human habitation it is probably arson or stupidity.


5 posted on 01/10/2020 8:42:57 PM PST by cpdiii ( canecutter, deckhand, roughneck, geologist, pilot, pharmacist THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR)
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The 2 dozen arsonists arrested are all from New South Wales. They weren’t able to claim “conspiracy theory” because the police themselves reported it (and the hundreds more other fire cases).

What do the OTHER Australian states’ police say? ZERO cases?

This is policy wonk spinning of some (but not all) data.


6 posted on 01/10/2020 8:49:58 PM PST by a fool in paradise (Decade of decision for America)
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Now backtracking on the arson cases. Here is some interesting things from the past...

https://www.ffm.vic.gov.au/history-and-incidents/past-bushfires/past-bushfire-maps

“Fire has been present on the Australian continent for millions of years and has been significant in shaping much of the landscape. Many fires were started by lightning.

Aboriginal people used fire for many thousands of years to ‘care for country’. The fires were a tool that encouraged the growth and extent of grasslands to enhance hunting, reduced levels of fuel, and kept vegetation from becoming dense and hard to walk through.

Because there are few comprehensive records of bushfires in the early stages of European settlement, or beforehand, the following chronology includes only those bushfires that have occurred since 1851.”


7 posted on 01/10/2020 8:54:34 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: SeekAndFind

ABC here in Australia is the CNN of the USA. Actually they are government sponsored like PBS.However, their management and radio and TV hosts are controlled by the Green Party here in Oz, even though they are mostly funded by we, the people through the government. They do not allow conservative commentators to be members of ABC.


8 posted on 01/10/2020 9:07:01 PM PST by Aussiebabe
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To: a fool in paradise

No, we have had 85 people arrested for arson here in South Australia since September. It is a serious problem in Australia and the Greens have their heads in the sand, since their policies are one of the main causes of the fires, besides the arsonists.


9 posted on 01/10/2020 9:09:38 PM PST by Aussiebabe
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[It is a serious problem in Australia and the Greens have their heads in the sand, since their policies are one of the main causes of the fires, besides the arsonists]


Is there a ban on giving permits to loggers, etc, to clear material that might provide kindling and fuel for bush fires? Or are there other government policies that are aggravating the problem?


10 posted on 01/10/2020 9:37:58 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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ABC, fully funded by the taxpayers - over a billion Aussie dollars a year - obsessed with gloBULL warming, gender, refugees & not much else. no-one can touch them.

in this piece, they are desperate to downplay arson. in others, they desperately try to downplay the failure to carry out hazard reduction, as noted below:

VIDEO: 10m: 10 Jan: Sky News: Chris Smith: Local council restrictions make prescribed burning ‘almost impossible’
Since the Royal Commission into the Black Saturday fires, only a third of the area earmarked for hazard reduction burns has been cleared and former CSIRO bushfire expert Phil Cheney says there have been “excuses… and Pseudo-science to justify this”.
An expert committee recommended eight percent of the burnable land in Victoria to be cleared, which was then reduced to five per cent and even this figure has been unachievable.
Mr Cheney told Sky News this was the “Inevitable result of the government’s abrogating [of] their responsibility to managing public lands” as he explained local government’s cannot “set a priority on what they want to manage the land for”.
In many of these local government areas the necessary prescribed burning has been “almost impossible” due to the council restrictions including “vegetation restriction orders”.
“We don’t have the roads or trails that are necessary to do prescribed burning in a scientific and proper manner”, Mr Cheney said.
“We’re starting so-far behind the eight-ball”
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6121349634001


11 posted on 01/10/2020 9:58:22 PM PST by MAGAthon
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To: SeekAndFind

Methinks they doth protest too much.


12 posted on 01/10/2020 10:19:08 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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You don’t wanna go pointing fingers and get them really pissed off and all super pyromantic, now.

/still waiting on the list of names of the firebugs


13 posted on 01/10/2020 11:11:16 PM PST by Salamander (Living On The Ledge....)
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To: SeekAndFind

Crikey. Just ban lightening! Very simple solution.


14 posted on 01/10/2020 11:38:46 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (Figures)
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Journalists go to school simply to learn equivocation. A pox on them!


15 posted on 01/11/2020 1:04:52 AM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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Did deblasio ship any homeless to the aussies?


16 posted on 01/11/2020 2:48:59 AM PST by ronnie raygun (nick dip .com)
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Two of them have been named — one Muslim and one Asian with a Vietnamese-sounding name — Tranh or Truong. The authorities do everything in their power to play down and even deny the role of arson, for obvious reasons.


17 posted on 01/11/2020 7:30:18 AM PST by Blurb2350
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To: SeekAndFind

Liars

Unprecedented except for 1974 when it was much more widespread

Liars just have lie


18 posted on 01/11/2020 12:42:53 PM PST by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.(DT4POTUS))
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To: Blurb2350

Sickening.

[maybe they’re hoping that if they act nice to them, they’ll be eaten last]


19 posted on 01/11/2020 2:02:10 PM PST by Salamander (Living On The Ledge....)
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To: Zhang Fei
It is much worse than that with just the loggers. Farmers, landowners and even home owners cannot get permits from local councils controlled by the Greens to do bush clearing, fire breaks, fire paths on their own land. The Greens believe is is unnatural to do these clearings. One home owner who wanted to clear 30 ft of brush has been trying to do it for 2 years. They wanted him to count every tree, give the Latin names for each tree plant 20 trees for every tree cut down somewhere on his property. This was all documented by SkyNews.
20 posted on 01/11/2020 4:06:23 PM PST by Aussiebabe
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