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Seattle’s Wage Mandate Kills Restaurants: The legal minimum is going to $16.39 an hour, while my pay drops to zero.
Wall Street Journal ^
| December 12, 2019
| Simone Barron
Posted on 12/13/2019 4:37:49 AM PST by karpov
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To: bert
Looks like the Washington State unemployment rate is going down steadily, so all of the braying over the MW is bunk.
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posted on
12/13/2019 10:46:43 AM PST
by
central_va
(I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
To: central_va
I seriously doubt that. The better wait staff may find a job, but there simply aren’t enough “good” restaurants to absorb them all. There will continue to be unemployment effects from this for a long time.
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posted on
12/13/2019 10:51:43 AM PST
by
econjack
To: Redwood71
Yup. My wifes cousin lives in eastern Washington state on the Idaho border. She has told us the horror stories.
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posted on
12/13/2019 10:53:45 AM PST
by
Vaquero
( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
To: econjack
I seriously doubt that. The better wait staff may find a job, but there simply arent enough good restaurants to absorb them all. There will continue to be unemployment effects from this for a long time.So where do the diners go?
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posted on
12/13/2019 11:01:34 AM PST
by
central_va
(I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
To: central_va
Same places and place their orders through kiosks. McDonald’s is already using them. The higher the prices at a restaurant, the more I would expect to see most of the wait staff retained, since they can pass a good chunk of the wage increase on to the customers who are lass price conscious. Some of the lower-paid staff may have to do more work (e.g., there used to be 4 busboys, now there are 2).
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posted on
12/13/2019 11:13:58 AM PST
by
econjack
To: econjack
The minimum wage adjusted for inflation is at an all time low. So automation is happening in spite of record low unskilled labor costs.
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posted on
12/13/2019 11:17:00 AM PST
by
central_va
(I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
To: central_va
But in this case, will they stop eating all together?
Not sure what you mean.
Eating out is usually an option for most. For many years I carried a sack lunch to work. Way cheaper then going out to eat.
If prices get too high, yes, people will stop (or cut back) and eating out.
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posted on
12/13/2019 12:07:51 PM PST
by
CIB-173RDABN
(I am not an expert in anything, and my opinion is just that, an opinion. I may be wrong.)
To: central_va
First, I’d like to know where you got the inflation-adjusted minimum wage data. Second, a 30% wage increase, either in real or monetary terms, is going to cause dislocations...period. Finally, substitution of capital for labor occurs for reasons other than wage rates. Machines always show up for work, no shift understaffing issues, no vacation or maternity leave, no personnel issues. Hassle costs alone would cause a shift.
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posted on
12/13/2019 12:11:17 PM PST
by
econjack
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posted on
12/13/2019 1:00:09 PM PST
by
SunkenCiv
(Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
To: central_va
People still eat in other, better run restaurants which will boom. All in all employment will stay the same. That's ignorant.
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posted on
12/15/2019 8:10:57 AM PST
by
gogeo
(The left prides themselves on being tolerant, but they can't even be civil.)
To: central_va
Again, ignorant.
Don't you have an SEIU meeting to attend?
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posted on
12/15/2019 8:12:15 AM PST
by
gogeo
(The left prides themselves on being tolerant, but they can't even be civil.)
To: bert
Dittos. Typical liberal that doesn’t like the results of his voting and thinks he can continue voting the way he does and get different results.
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posted on
12/15/2019 8:24:18 AM PST
by
CodeToad
To: Old Yeller
“Seattle will become a restaurant desert.”
It already is. I was just there and you can clearly see many restaurants are across city lines.
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posted on
12/15/2019 8:25:02 AM PST
by
CodeToad
To: Damifino
“Why is everyone slagging Simone? For all I can tell, she has always worked hard, provided for herself and been a been a contributor to society.”
Because she is a liberal that voted for all the crap she now complains about.
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posted on
12/15/2019 8:26:01 AM PST
by
CodeToad
To: gogeo
Care to post the statistics on the unemployment rate in Washington or Seattle that back up your specious claims? There has been no rise in unemployment. Myth.
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posted on
12/15/2019 12:42:41 PM PST
by
central_va
(I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
To: econjack
The work still has to get done.
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posted on
12/15/2019 12:45:44 PM PST
by
central_va
(I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
To: central_va
True, but a good portion doesn’t need to be done by humans.
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posted on
12/15/2019 1:23:15 PM PST
by
econjack
To: econjack
True, but a good portion doesnt need to be done by humans.Yet, automation is happening even with wages at an all time low adjusted for inflation since the GD. There is no correlation between the push for automation and the minimum wage. None.
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posted on
12/15/2019 2:09:42 PM PST
by
central_va
(I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
To: central_va
So...a rise in employment costs in the restaurant industry will cause a rise in the general employment rate?
Tell us more.
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posted on
12/15/2019 2:32:04 PM PST
by
gogeo
(The left prides themselves on being tolerant, but they can't even be civil.)
To: central_va
There is no correlation between the push for automation and the minimum wage. None. Really? Then why do we see kiosks taking food orders in some restaurant chains instead of people? The strength of the correlation is a function of price. At some price for most kinds of manual labor there is a tipping point where substituting capital for labor makes sense. While $7.25/hr may not be a tipping point in most industries, perhaps $16/hr is.
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