Pain Pills Are Not Killers. And The Sun Rises In The East. Who Knew?

american council on science and health ^ | 10/21/19 | Josh Bloom

[GailA]

Don’t forget the 20 TONS of Cocaine found on 2 ships in Philly.

Major Fentanyl Shipment from China Seized in Mexico (25 tons)
https://www.breitbart.com/border/2019/08/25/25-tons-of-fentanyl-from-china-seized-in-mexico/

Massive fentanyl seizure in Ohio ‘amounts to chemical warfare’
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/massive-fentanyl-seizure-ohio-amounts-chemical-warfare-n1075016

Coast Guard cutter’s crew makes massive 4,600-pound cocaine bust, 2nd in 5 days | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/us/coast-guard-cutter-massive-cocaine-bust

The China Connection: How One D.E.A. Agent Cracked a Global Fentanyl Ring - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/16/magazine/china-fentanyl-drug-ring.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

[familyop]

"For people already addicted, the most effective harm reduction is Medication Assisted Treatment (Methadone or Buprenorphine), combined with long term community reintegration.

Reintegration means job training, safe housing, mental-health and recovery counseling — and support for people who relapse. 28-day detox clinics and Narcotics Anonymous don’t work alone. Such programs have high relapse rates when recovering addicts are discharged without support into the same circumstances that made them vulnerable to drugs in the first place.

Addiction recovery is neither cheap nor easy. We must invest billions every year in our labor force, housing and communities."

We only need to look at the people around us in our communities to see that the total cost of those social programs would be well into the trillions. We also see what that says about spending policies really advocated by libertarians.

[familyop]

Some of us also see the effectiveness of pre-1968 social policies.

[Steven Scharf]

This conclusion is admittedly flawed. It only looks at those who had an autopsy and toxicology report. They don’t do autopsies on people who die of known causes as noted in this discussion.

[grumpygresh]

Which conclusion is flawed? Explain.

Anyone suspected of an OD MUST have a tox report. Making a diagnosis of drug OD without a toxicology report is negligent. But actually a lot of the older data complied by CDC included OD deaths by opioids without a toxicology panel.

[MurrietaMadman]

Look on the bright side...

https://healthcare.utah.edu/publicaffairs/news/2018/05/nejm-opioid.php

[trebb]

Taken as prescribed (when properly prescribed), they aren’t that addictive...I was getting 100 percosets a month for 4 months before they sent me to a pain doctor to explore other venues...never had a problem....and I’m a recovered alky.

[mabarker1]

Are there any Pain Clinics in Your area ?

[mabarker1]

Do You know that the son of the head of the CDC is a junkie ?

[grumpygresh]

Not surprising blame shifting. If he wants to find out the cause of the opioid crisis, he doesn’t need an army of researchers, he just needs to look into the mirror.

[Still Thinking]

You mean pill mills or clinics specializing in pain? Pill miles, I don’t believe so. The other, yes. I had a neighbor who had service-related disability, but he was also an alcoholic, so the VA tried to avoid giving him opiates as much as they could. They sent him to a pain clinic that gave him other meds, exercises, etc. I can’t remember if it worked as well for him as the opiates, but at least it helped enough to be worth doing.

[mabarker1]

Ignore the result for the Band.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mk+ultra&t=brave&ia=about

[grumpygresh]

Essentially you’re right. Let the states decide on their drug laws and let them decide on medical use and criminal enforcement.

At the state level you can expose corruption because its infinitely easier to get State government records than at the federal level (just look at the trouble Judical watch and congress have in getting records from doj). You vote out AGs, sheriffs and judges if they rule and enforce laws that do not comport with your views. And of course, you can move. Why anyone would live in states like CA, NJ, NY, CN, MA and have their individual rights so flagrantly violated is beyond me.

The bottom line is that what has become so blatantly obvious is that we can’t trust the federal government with a leading role especially when it comes to domestic police power. They are secret, unaccountable and compromised which makes it impossible not to be corrupt. The dea has a vested interest in seeing that the opioid crisis continues and it will grow as long as the money flows.